Could anybody explain us those Jésus' teachings, please !

You have been given phenomenal insight Jack1944. I hope to see more from you soon Sir!

 

Yes..... the Bride of Messiah / Moshiach / The Christ is rising up......
and she will soon accomplish more in one week....... than she used to do in an entire year.

 

No, I get brownie points for getting it all right. I'll explain it again since you seem to have
a problem with facts that don't agree with your indoctrination.

Here we go...

I expect you to research before making up your own stories. If you're going to state facts then
you need to know what you're talking about. So far in this entire discussion you have been
wrong on all accounts. Let's continue.

When you said Matthew was talking about David, which he wasn't and you were clearly
shown your error, you were in fact saying that David was the Messiah because that's
what Matthew was talking about.

And you are wrong about Nehemiah having anything to do with the quote from Matthew.
You're wrong again since you're making up your own story to fit your imagination.

Wrong again. The child will grow up. That's a given. Jesus WILL fight the Assyrians, a
culture and not a country, in the future.

And young maidens were considered to be virgin. A rose by any other name...

Christianity corrupted nothing. There's no need to since the OT is very clear and
complements the NT in every way.

Face it you're wrong again and you can't wiggle your way out of it. You might give some
idea to the truth, i.e. this is all about Jesus and not David, Nehemiah or Isaiah's wife.

Cute, as if you have the final say. I will bother to reply since you you obviously know little of
the Old Testament and have been shown that your indoctrination and misconceptions are
clearly wrong.. It's been very easy to debunk your stories and I promise to continue until
realize how little you know. I'll be here to correct you on all accounts.

I must admit that I've never encountered someone who claims to know so much but
doesn't.

My work is only beginning, and it's going to be fun.

 

You obviously did not read the Hebrew website regarding two different words. I meaning Maiden.the other Virgin

 

Prunepicker

Your work is finished. I can't stand any more of your jokes. All you do is burble 'you're wrong'. No explanation why Matthew takes verses out of context, or why Roman Laws disprove Luke's story. And why should they, after the birth etc., journey to Nazareth and then go back, past Jerusalem and Bethlehem and go to Egypt. Even as a fairy story it would make no sense. Some modern Bible students, like myself, are of the opinion that Bethlehem in Zebulon was the birthplace of Jesus. Just a few miles from Nazareth. The Bible makes no sensible claim for Bethlehem Ephrata. Only Matthews opinion and desire to make Jesus fulfil OT prophecy. Which it doesn't. This only became a place of pilgrimage when Constantine's wife had a church built there 3 centuries later.

Anyway, try discussing with someone who has the same indoctrination, and lack of Biblcal knowledge, as you. You won't have to keep trying to correct them.

Good luck.

 

Hi,

Yes ! It was Written Down !

Here and Now is the Jesus Christ's Archéypal Diciple Taught by The Holly Spirit !
The Bride is a Nice Symbol ! It Reminds Us Saint John the Baptist in John 3.27-36 !
With P-A, maybe it is unbelievable, but He is a bit like Saint John the Baptist Sent by The Holy Sky !

Christ in P-A, P-A in Christ, are Thirsty of Equity, of Justice and Hungry for Peace, Harmony ... !

That's why P-A and Others Believers Solicit The Help for the Truth and Justice in front of the Shame of elite's behavior !

Do Believe in Our Almighty God, in Jésus Christ !
Do Believe in :« 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. » John 14

Then, Sisters in Christ, Brothers in Christ, Do Pray and Realize that Togheter in Jésus Christ (Spiritual Agreement with Jésus Christ), We are Going to Change This World for a minimum of 1000 Years !

And Now, Sisters in Christ, Brothers in Christ, We Have to Think How To Help Truth to Come Out for The Father's Glory !

Rk : If You know Upright and Professionnal Journalits who speak french, I Can Give Them Informations, Documents, Links ...
We also Can Open a New Thread about That !

The Release Comes, Thanks to God ! Alléluia ! Let's Give Thee Thanks to LORD God Almighty !

 

Not at all. However, you (the one being the self appointed Jewish custom expert)
are ignoring that maidens were expected to be virgins. A rose by any other name...

So far I've debunked every single one of your objections. Do you have any other
misconceptions I can help correct? I'm having a wonderful time.

 

Don't waste your time. Any other poster on here can see you have completely ignored all my points simply because you have no answer. It doesn't take much to please you. Play you games with someone else.

There is a word in the Hebrew for Virgin - untouched by man. And another word for maiden - which can mean a young woman/maiden/even married - not necessarily a virgin.. The two have different meanings. Pity you don't read.

Goodbye.

 

Correcting your misconceptions due to your lack of knowledge isn't a waste of time. It's a
pleasure and I'm more than happy to do so.

No you don't. I clearly corrected your misconceptions and you aren't able to refute them because
I'm 100% correct and you know it. Anyone who's keeping up with this conversation can
see how wrong you've been.

If anyone is ignoring anything it's you. All you did was provide you opinion that you derived from
your extremely limited knowledge of the Bible. Anyone who reads your posts and does some
honest fact checking can see how wrong you've been.

If anyone is playing games it's you. You're intentionally misquoting the Bible and trying to
make your opinion to be fact.

Pity you don't understand Jewish customs. Yes there are two words as you say but you
refuse to acknowledge the facts that maidens were expected to be virgins. Your definitions
says they can be virgins.

I don't think so. I'll be here to correct your misconceptions and erroneous opinions derived
from your obvious limited knowledge of the Bible.

 

So what if Bethlehem was here, there or anywhere? Does its exact location matter much?
PS- This thread has run to 16 pages and I only came in late on it and missed your earlier points, but if you care to raise them again I'll be glad to discuss them..

 

Only if you believe the Bible stories in Luke and Matthew are true!

Matthews quotes from the OT are all taken out of context to make Jesus a Messiah. Luke gets all his facts wrong about Roman census laws and has Joseph and Mary (in her 9th month of pregnancy) taking a 90 mile unnecessary journey to Bethlehem Ephrata at the same time a hundreds of thousands of other Jews are making their way to this very small town.

 

There are a truckload of OT prophecies about the Messiah that Jesus fulfilled, plus of course he himself said he was the Messiah. So if he wasn't the Messiah, who was?
As regards hundreds of thousands of Jews going to Bethlehem, that'd explain why there was no room at the inn..

 

There are a truckload of prophecies that Christianity claims Jesus fulfilled. Taken in context none of them refer to Jesus, the Jewish Preacher. As regards the number of Jews going to Jerusalem - and it didn't happen - it would have meant Joseph and Mary would have not have got anywhere near Bethlehem.

Matthews quotes. Bethlehem Ephrata. Follow the chapter and this clearly does not refer to Jesus - He never faced the Assyrians who had long disappeared as a force. Neither did the nation under Jesus take its place amoung nations. The nation was destroyed by the Romans. Hezekiah, though we don't know his place of birth, fits all those requirements.

Matthew quotes. 'my son out of Egypt'. This clearly refers to Jahweh bringing Israel out of Egypt. Jesus never was in Egypt. In fact Luke has Jesus in Nazareth after being redeemed in Jerusalem. That's a few weeks after his birth. 'When Jesus parents had fulfilled all the requirements of the Law of the Lord, they returned to Nazareth in Galilee. There the child grew up.....'. Nothing to suggest he ever went to Egypt. In fact had Mary and Joseph taken him home to Nazareth and gone a few miles farther west, they would have been out of Herod's jurisdiction, in Syria.

Neither Nativity story makes sense and they contradict each other.

Jesus quoted the OT as true because he, like many Christians, had been brought up with what to bewlieve

Matthew quotes. 'A cry was heard in Ramah' .... from Jeremiah. Clearly a reference to Rachel weeping for her children 'lost' in Egypt. There was no 'Massacre of the Innocents'.

Christians quote. Isaiah 53 as a reference to Jesus 'the suffering servant'. Take the book of Isaiah as a whole it is all about Israel 'Jahweh's suffering servant'. This is the 4th of the suffering servant songs. Israel is often called Jahweh's servant in the OT and Isaiah, or Jacob my servant. Israel is referred to in the singular, even as we use the singular 'Britain' as referring to the whole nation.

Christianity has taken quotes that have nothing to do with anyone than the nation of Israel..

Luke refers to a Roman census. The Romans certainly used these - usually for tax purposes. They did not require anyone to go anywhere. In fact, as tax was taken on property Joseph should have remained in Nazareth, where his property was. The need to go to one's ancestral town is complete nonsense. David was 1000 years in the past. Bethlehem had been emptied by the Babylonians in the 7th century. When Cyrus freed them Hebrews later many of them stayed in Babylon, others went farther afield. Many had gone ot Egypt, North Africa to evade the Babylonian invasion. Who actually returned to Bethlehem, no-one knows. And after 70 years absence were the properties now occupied by others. At a slightly later census in the Roman province of Egypt a census taker actually proclaimed in a letter that people should stay where they were. The letter is somewhere in a museum. Unfortunately I can't remember which.

Much of what Jesus the preacher said was Jewish teaching - added to by Christianity. His baptism, his temptation and his religious rituals are all in line with Jewish teaching. He spoke to the Jews alone, he would not allow his disciples to go to the gentiles, nor did he. Contact with gentiles was on their approach.
He spoke from the OT, used OT parables that the Jews knew. He, as a Jew, would never have claimed to be Messiah. Anointed one, yes. But then many Jewish OT leaders and prophets were called 'anointed' ones.

One of the favourite Christian ploys is to say 'Jesus never lied, so when he spoke about OT Patriarchs and people like Jonah they must be true. The son of god would never lie'.
Of course Jesus never lied. He was brought up to believe they were true. We know now that much of it is just stories. Mainly by archaeology and our knowledge of history discovered since Jesus time.

Jesus was killed because he upset the Jewish Religious Heirarchy by telling them they had fallen from Moses teachings.

The truckload of OT prophecies about the Messiah is labelled 'Christianity misinterpretation'.

By the way. I am agnostic. Just some who was once a Christian until I really studied the Bible. Something most Christians do not do. They rely on what they are told.

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King Herad was after them. The king killed all 2 year old's and younger where Joseph and Mary was. They had to flee, God told Joseph using the angel Micheal to leave. They couldn't just go to the next closest place, they would of been found.

 

Herod never killed any children. Why don't you study history. The quote Matthew used had nothing to do with Jesus or Herod. It was Rechel weeping for her family in Egypt supposedly in Egypt at the time of Moses - who never existed anyway. Most of Herods misdeeds are recorded in History - nothing about the killing of many children. If he had there would have been an uproar. Rome would have heard of it, and called him to account. They did with his son who murdered many Samaritans. Going to Egypt was simply a quote from the OT that refers to Israel supposedly coming out of Egypt. Nothing to do with Jesus except in Matthews mind. where
After Jesus birth Luke has Joseph and Mary following Jewish ritual and after Jesus was circumcised (8 days) and then taken to Jerusalem to be redeemed, they went back to Nazareth where they remained until Jesus was 12. We know nothing more of Jesus from the Bible until he started his ministry. If Herod was looking for Jesus it certainly wouldn't have been in Nazareth - 90 miles from Bethlehem. There was no modern transport or communications. In any case if Herod had chased Joseph and Mary to Nazareth they could have moved a few miles west, and been in Syria - out of Herods jurisdiction. And he wouldn't want to irritate the Roman Governor in Syria. If Herod had been attacked, or had a revolution in Judea, he would have had to seek help from Roman soldiers stationed in Syria.

Both stories contradict each other and make little sense if you know the OT and History.

 

Are There Any Reapers for Fairness Here ?

 

If you mean "Seekers of Truth", yes there are some of us here..

Jesus said:- "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free...Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” (John 8:32,John 18:37)

 

Nice try! History is written by the victors! You think Kings and Queens gave the people the truth? Do you think they still do? They didn't, nor have they ever.

 

Thank you. You're spouting the same nonsense as before. There are several instances in ancient History where we have accounts from both victors and defeated. Herods misdeeds are there for you to see in History books as well as his achievements. At the time of the birth of Jesus Herod had fallen out of favour with Augustus and had he killed many babies he would have been 'brought to book'. Likewise the actions of his sons. When 'Herod' Archelaus murdered Samaritans it was recorded and he was 'dethroned' by the Romans.

Do some study. You will find that the Romans had a special regard for the Jews and their strength of faith.. So much so that they allowed the Jews more freedom in religious matters. They knew that certain things would bring the Jews to revolt, and they avoided that as much as possible. On 3 occasions the Jews complained to the Caesar of the time about their Governors actions. In one case the governor was removed and in the others the Governor was made to undo what he had done.

Had Herod killed those babies he would likely have been removed. As it is he died anyway.

You really don't know much, do you.

 

Have you ever heard of, "classified" or even, "top secret". These are terms we use today, however this sort of behavior of world leaders, all through mankind's history, they have always kept the truth from the people. If you want to believe what is written as history truth, you go right ahead. I on the other hand will, "let God be true, and every man a liar."

The Vatican has over 53 miles of shelving, of document's average and high up people cannot (not allowed) read. You think the Vatican is the only place that does this? Truth has been hidden. Which is why when Jesus comes, everything hidden will come to light. It will only be the truth that sets us free. It's the only thing that can!!

 

You posted all this before and it's rubbish. OK the Vatican has many files. I'm not concerned with those. The Vatican was not around in the time of Jesus and before. You can't hide Archaeological finds. You can't hide ancient history. You can't hide history found in the OT. It was all written and distributed before Christianity. Stuff the Vatican files.

 

No.. There is no evidence of the slaughter of 2 year olds ..NONE.

 

Do you honestly believe that the Vatican was not around during Jesus time? The name was different, the group of people was the same. The Pharisee's that had the Roman leader Pilate kill Jesus, those are of the Vatican! Not Islam, for the Quran was written by the Vatican.

This information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. It is excerpted from "The Prophet," published by Chick Publications, PO Box 662, Chino CA 91708. Since its publication, after several unsuccessful attempts on his life, he died suddenly from food poisoning. His testimony should not be silenced. Dr. Rivera speaks to us still ...

"What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.

"The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the powers of darkness. Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel setting up small churches, but they met heavy opposition. Both the Jews and the Roman government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread. But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 AD, Roman armies under General Titus smashed Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish temple which was the heart of Jewish worship...in fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Matthew 24:2.

"On this holy placed today where the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands as Islam's second most holy place. Sweeping changes were in the wind. Corruption, apathy, greed, cruelty, perversion and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire, and it was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was useless as they continued to lay down their lives for the gospel of Christ.

"The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the work of God. The solution was in Rome. Their religion had come from ancient Babylon and all it needed was a face-lift. This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of the 'early church fathers'.

"It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary. The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called 'Vaticanus', the place of the diving serpent where the Satanic temple of Janus stood.

"The great counterfeit religion was Roman Catholicism, called 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth'- Revelation 17:5. She was raised up to block the gospel, slaughter the believers in Christ, establish religions, create wars and make the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication as we will see.

"Three major religions have one thing in common - each has a holy place where they look for guidance. Roman Catholicism looks to the Vatican as the Holy City. The Jews look to the wailing wall in Jerusalem, and the Muslims look to Mecca as their Holy City. Each group believes that they receive certain types of blessings for the rest of their lives for visiting their holy place. In the beginning, Arab visitors would bring gifts to the 'House of God', and the keepers of the Kaaba were gracious to all who came. Some brought their idols and, not wanting to offend these people, their idols were placed inside the sanctuary. It is said that the Jews looked upon the Kaaba as an outlying tabernacle of the Lord with veneration until it became polluted with idols.

"In a tribal contention over a well(Zamzam) the treasure of the Kaaba and the offerings that pilgrims had given were dumped down the well and it was filled with sand - it disappeared. Many years later Adb Al-Muttalib was given visions telling him where to find the well and its treasure. He became the hero of Mecca, and he was destined to become the grandfather of Muhammad. Before this time, Augustine became the bishop of North Africa and was effective in winning Arabs to Roman Catholicism, including whole tribes. It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.

"Muhammad's father died from illness and sons born to great Arab families in places like Mecca were sent into the desert to be suckled and weaned and spend some of their childhood with Bedouin tribes for training and to avoid the plagues in the cities.

"After his mother and grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle when a Roman Catholic monk learned of his identity and said, "Take your brother's son back to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by god, if they see him and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of yours."

"The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future Jewish persecutions at the hands of the followers of Muhammad. The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious significance, but was blocked by the Jews.

"Another problem was the true Christians in North Africa who preached the gospel. Roman Catholicism was growing in power, but would not tolerate opposition. Somehow the Vatican had to create a weapon to eliminate both the Jews and the true Christian believers who refused to accept Roman Catholicism. Lookng to North Africa, they saw the multitudes of Arabs as a source of manpower to do their dirty work. Some Arabs had become Roman Catholic, and could be used in reporting information to leaders in Rome. Others were used in an underground spy network to carry out Rome's master plan to control the great multitudes of Arabs who rejected Catholicism. When 'St Augustine' appeared on the scene, he knew what was going on. His monasteries served as bases to seek out and destroy Bible manuscripts owned by the true Christians.

"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:


'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

'Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.

'Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.

'Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols. History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god. They gave birth to three goddesses who were worshipped throughout the Arab world as "Daughters of Allah" An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in 1950's shows Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest.

'Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told, "You are the messenger of Allah." This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages. By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding. The nomadic Arab tribes were joining forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad.

'Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.'

"When Cardinal Bea shared with us in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

"In their "holy" book, the Koran, Christ is regarded as only a prophet. If the pope was His representative on earth, then he also must be a prophet of God. This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man."

"The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they called infidels).

2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.

3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.

"As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous - Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands. Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time. But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial! The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope - nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.

"Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice. The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name. As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honor on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD. This made Jerusalem the 2nd most holy place in the Islam faith. How could they give such a sacred shrine to the pope without causing a revolt?

"The pope realized what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned toward Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.

"The Vatican was outraged; war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.

"The pope raised up his armies and called them crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe. The crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.

"Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces. In Portugal, they called a mountain village "Fatima" in honor of Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.

"Years later when the Muslim armies were poised on the islands of Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, there was a serious problem. The Islamic generals realized they were too far extended. It was time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.

"As a result, the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and the Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world. It was also agreed that the Muslims could build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as Roman Catholicism could flourish Arab countries.

"Cardinal Bea told us in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholics agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their common enemy, Bible-believing Christianm missionaries. Through these concordats, Satan blocked the children of Ishmael from a knowledge of Scripture and the truth.

"A light control was kept on Muslims from the Ayatollah down through the Islamic priests, nuns and monks. The Vatican also engineers a campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews. Before this, they had co-existed peacefully.

"The Islamic community looks on the Bible-believing missionary as a devil who brings poison to the children of Allah. This explains years of ministry in those countries with little results.

"The next plan was to control Islam. In 1910, Portugal was going Socialistic. Red flags were appearing and the Catholic Church was facing a major problem. Increasing numbers were against the church.

"The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision at Fatima could play a key part in pulling Islam to the Mother Church.



Lucia de Santos, Francisco Marco and Jacinta Maro in 1917. Image from: mystae.com
"In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima. "The Mother of God" was a smashing success, playing to overflow crowds. As a result, the Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat.

"Roman Catholics world-wide began praying for the conversion of Russia and the Jesuits invented the Novenas to Fatima which they could perform throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to the Muslim world. The Arabs thought they were honoring the daughter of Muhammad, which is what the Jesuits wanted them to believe.

"As a result of the vision of Fatima, Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox religion and make Russia Roman Catholic." A few years after he lost World war II, Pope Pius XII startled the world with his phoney dancing sun vision to keep Fatima in the news. It was great religious show biz and the world swallowed it.

"Not surprisingly, Pope Pius was the only one to see this vision. As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army world-wide, totaling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for the blessed virgin.

"But we haven't seen anything yet. The Jesuits have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in China, Russia, and major appearance in the U.S.

"What has this got to do with Islam? Note Bishop Sheen's
statement: "Our Lady's appearances at Fatima marked the turning point in the history of the world's 350 million Muslims. After the death of his daughter, Muhammad wrote that she "is the most holy of all women in Paradise, next to Mary."

"He believed that the Virgin Mary chose to be known as Our Lady of Fatima as a sign and a pledge that the Muslims who believe in Christ's virgin birth, will come to believe in His divinity.

"Bishop Sheen pointed out that the pilgrim virgin statues of Our Lady of Fatima were enthusiastically received by Muslims in Africa, India, and elsewhere, and that many Muslims are now coming into the Roman Catholic Church."

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/04apr/catholicislam.html

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Great, so choose to believe that it never happened. I believe it did!

 

Your link to Red Ice Creations is a total crock.. The Catholics had NO presence on the Arabian peninsula.. There were no convents.

There was NO Vatican nor anything even resembling the Catholic Church in the first century AD.

This is pathetic scholarship.

 

Good luck with that!

The religious people that opposed Jesus, infiltrated the papacy.

According to Catholic tradition, Jesus founded the papacy in the first century, when he chose St. Peter, the leader of the apostles, to be his earthly representative. "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church," he states in chapter 16 of Matthew. "I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven." Those words, which now circle the dome of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, serve as the biblical mandate for the papacy. All popes are considered symbolic descendants of Peter and are thought to hold "Peter's Chair"

Since then, there have been more than 260 occupants of the papal office. The institution has endured through the defining moments of European history, including the split of the Roman Empire, the bloodbath of the crusades and the rise of the Italian Renaissance. More recently, popes have struggled to reconcile the strict traditions of doctrinaire Catholicism with the realities of modern life, including defending firm stances against abortion and the death penalty. Here, a short history of some of the most notable occupants of "St. Peter's Chair."

http://www.catholic.org/pope/