Five paragraphs that have the potential to save this world!

Speaking of Gary Renard.....

http://www.thomastwin.com/23 A Who is Gary Renard.html
Who is Gary Renard – Really?

© Bruce Fraser MacDonald, PhD

[from Chapter Four, Part Two, The Thomas Book]

 

It is seriously cool to see that your post #3 to the form is a reply to one of my topics.

Have you read about the Pam Reynolds case?

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/people-have-ndes-while-brain-dead.html
People Have Near-Death Experiences While Brain Dead

 

It is interesting that your responses consist primarily of...

here is a link to a website - go read it.​

Can't you address our responses in your own words?

If you want to espouse the importance of a new religion based on reincarnation then lay it out in your own words.

ETA - Even the article in your link shows a great deal of animosity between MacDonald and Renard. How can a religion with so much animosity in its leadership possibly unite people and save the world?

 

Jesus wants MATES, that's all..-
"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)


If we simply like him, it means we've bonded/connected/mindmelded with him and with the universe.
But if anybody doesn't like him, the universe will spit them out, seems fair to me.
I mean, if Jesus-rejecters were let into heaven it'd be a case of "Oops there goes the neighbourhood", and it ain't never gonna happen..

 

Does prison count as a primer short course for hell, or is it more of an intensive comprehensive tuition?

 

Prison's not so bad, I was jailed for 3 months on a vigilante rap in 2002, and just lay on my bunk most of the time reading books from the prison library.
I was halfway through 'Geronimo: Apache Warrior' on my release day, so I never did get to finish it, drat!

 

Former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Benedict was shown that
a massive shift was about to occur in all religions...... apparently largely
over the coming decades.


http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

 

When we Christians see that the idea of reincarnation does not contradict
the gospels we can come to a new level of humility and empathy for others.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

This shift can play an important part in the attainment of peace between
various racial groups.

http://www.politicalforum.com/race-...head-past-life-regression-under-hypnosis.html
What is that white guy doin in my head? (Past life regression under hypnosis).

 

But again, it really doesn't matter. All the worldly religions could merge into one today and it wouldn't mean anything, because all religions today functions in the same way, they all put forward a belief in a Big Other, a being, substance or whatever, that is supposed to reside OUTSIDE of society.
And this being or substance functions, whether in Islam or Buddhism, as a way of dodging out of real partisan engagement in actual issues and falling back on a position which is presumed to reside above, beyond or outside these real controversies.

But there is nothing outside of human beings, nothing outside the social order, which is the highest order of being. At best religion can give you a false sense that 'somehow, things will turn out OK'. At worst, it can justify the most vile and anti-democratic filth.

 

Stay with one question at a time. You said you see this transforming Christianity. I'm trying to assess whether I believe you have a good idea of the movement of Christianity as a whole, so I asked you what changes you see, not what you think it can have.

 

For one, in that Facebook group that I previously mentioned entitled, "Near Death Experiences Bring us Together"
I am seeing far more
Christians over the past couple of years participating and they are asking questions about NDE
accounts that are relevant to what the Christian Bible teaches.

Christians who read NDE accounts tend to move away from a dogmatic
heaven vs hell view of the afterlife.

 

Yes... religious beliefs have led to millions, frankly billions of deaths, not
to mention untold pain and suffering but......
NDE accounts are pointing toward a higher intelligence, that is actually inside of us,
and is rising up within us and can give us a higher level of love and understanding.

At least one particular near death experiencer found out that he could replicate the
NDE state of consciousness through meditation.

He receives a higher level of guidance on a daily basis in this way.

http://www.thomastwin.com/10 A Background to Silence.html

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I am truly impressed by your openness and honesty about your own life experiences.

This adds A LOT to what you write Johnny!

 

Well, my point was that I don't believe your facebook group is representative of Christianity. It seems to me that NDEs are not so much "transforming Christianity here in North America" as much as they've just influenced your particular (and rather small) group.

 

Then why is there so much animosity between the leaders of this love and understanding movement.

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The cause of NDE is a lack of an adequate supply of oxygen to the brain. Sitting cross legged for an extended period of time can easily cause this. Being in a sweat lodge can cause this.

Shamans (and curious lay people) have experienced higher level of love and understanding by eating mushrooms, chewing mescal leaves and hundreds of other ways.

It's really sad that people are so insecure in their own lives that they conflate low blood pressure and psychoactive plants with gods.

 

Well.... it probably is a less stressful manner of inducing an NDE in comparison to getting in a jet fighter G-force training device!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers/extreme-gravity.html
The Trigger of Extreme Gravity:
Dr. James Winnery's NDE Research

 

It is entirely possible to experience "poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health" in a single lifetime and it is also possible to learn to love under all of those conditions.

And learning to do so under those conditions has nothing whatsoever to do with any religion or deity.

It is the individual who needs to have the capacity to learn and grow in both good and adverse conditions.

Take away the religion and the rest of the superstition and what you have is someone who understands what it means to be human and how to treat others the same as themselves and the to treat the world with respect.

 

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1. Why did you not address: Then why is there so much animosity between the leaders of this love and understanding movement.

2. What does G-force training have to do with you promoting a "religion" that emphasizes NDE and reincarnation? Please explain in your own words.

 

My theory is that the professionals.....
who have gotten to the place where they have a fair amount of
influence or prestige are really scared to go to the place of
great freedom and understanding of the big picture that
this information offers.

http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html

.... The process isn't easy.... here are a couple of
statements by Bruce on what he was shown and how difficult it was for him to
deal with this.

Bruce:

.....

 

Truly well said!

What I will love to see is when the various religions
all begin to accept as normal what people are experiencing and realize that
these things do not contradict either Christianity or Judaism or any of the major religions......
if the main ideas of those religions are not turned into spikes... that nail people down.

......

Here is another powerful account by a near death experiencer who is being
shown about her past lives:

I think that many pastor and priests and nuns and other leaders fear this
information because they were not taught about how to deal with this in any
class at university.

 

The best you can do is post a brief sentence about people being scared and post a bunch of copy and pasted BS. I am not going to read any more of your copy and pasted BS. If you cannot answer a basic question about your great new religion, in your own words, then it is apparent that you really don't understand it.

You should not be promoting something you do not understand.

 

One of the major problems that I have with organized religions is that they can be abused as a tool to oppress and control people who are at their most vulnerable.

Granted that might never have been the original intent behind those who penned the texts but that the potential is inherent and the unscrupulous have exploited it to the detriment of untold millions is why I will never embrace any religion.

That does not mean that I am disparaging the positive aspects of organized religions either. I just prefer to avoid them altogether.

 

I personally have difficulty joining any specific denomination.

Although I am Christian I prefer to just take my wife to whatever denomination she wishes to go to.....
but to become a member doesn't seem like a good idea due to my disagreement over so many doctrines.

My wife is Pentecostal and I am convinced that the amazing gifts that she and some of her friends report are indeed real.

 

On two occassions I have worked with former ordained ministers/priests from Christian religions. Both gave similar reasons for leaving, namely that the church's internal politicking was interfering with the primary goal of ministering to the congregation.

That does not mean that either renounced their faith or beliefs but rather they were walking away from the church itself. Neither of them attended services any longer and refused to participate in anything related to the religions themselves.

 

I wonder why atheists don't have NDEs.

 

Probably because they enjoy the life they are living now.