Yes, The Left’s Anti-Semitism Is More Pronounced Than The Alt-Right’s

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  1. Space_Time

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    Is this true? If it is true why this so? What can be done to combat it?

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/22/yes-lefts-anti-semitism-pronounced-alt-rights/

    Yes, The Left’s Anti-Semitism Is More Pronounced Than The Alt-Right’s
    The average Jewish American will encounter far more systemic anti-Semitism as an undergraduate at college than in encounters with the alt-right or middle America.
    Jonathan Bronitsky By Jonathan Bronitsky
    DECEMBER 22, 2016
    Although the fight against anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry must be nonpartisan, my recent attempt to draw attention to left-wing anti-Semitism triggered a depressingly partisan response. I was labeled a “liberal” by self-avowed anti-Semites and an “anti-Semite,” among other hateful terms, by self-avowed liberals.

    Clearly, many readers weren’t willing to seriously grapple with the argument of my most recent article, unkindly dubbed on Twitter “the Federalist version of the ‘Renegade Jew.’” (At the same time, a lot of people, Jewish and non-Jewish, really appreciated it. To label them all anti-Semites too is absurd.)


    Indeed, the reaction was revealing. I anticipated one similar to that which recently met historian Gil Troy (who, like yours truly, is Jewish) after he merely argued that Bernie Sanders contributed to Hillary Clinton’s loss. That’s what I got: a heap of name-calling and essentially no sincere analysis. But I was still stunned by its venomous nature.

    The Left has only further demonstrated that it demands absolute conformity in thought and belief. All Jews, apparently, must stay within a well-defined box. The suffocating atmosphere within that box, of course, is secular and despises diversity in tradition and culture. What I deduced from the critical response to the article was that the only good Judaism is non-religious Judaism.

    I’m neither a “secular Jew” nor a “cultural Jew.” So to be castigated as an “assimilationist,” a “kapo,” and a “self-hater” is beyond ironic. I’m not Orthodox, but I keep and respect many of the traditions. If I’m trying to “cozy up” to anti-Semites, I’m going about it in an odd way.

    For if a Holocaust ever does come to America, I’ll be far easier for the brown shirts to pick out than those ethnic Jews who have acculturated and abandoned the ways of the past. And if the crematoria come to these shores, left-liberals will also be to blame for the excessive and inappropriate use of the term “anti-Semite.” By crying wolf, they will have desensitized the public and only made it that much harder to discern the real enemy.

    Alt-Right Is Not All the Same as Anti-Semite

    Now, my article compared left-wing anti-Semitism with the alt-right, not right-wing anti-Semitism, which is a broader phenomenon. My detractors pulled a clever trick, perhaps so clever they didn’t even recognize it. They equated the alt-right with anti-Semitism. Yet what we’re dealing with resembles a Venn diagram. The overlapping space between the alt-right and right-wing anti-Semitism is alt-right anti-Semitism. It’s like the way the overlapping space between left-liberalism and anti-Semitism is left-wing anti-Semitism.

    Even the Anti-Defamation League in its primer about the “New White Supremacy”—which it appropriately designates “an extremely loose movement”—describes the alt-right as a “white supremacist” phenomenon, not specifically an anti-Semitic phenomenon. “A number of Alt Righters,” it further explains, “are also blatantly anti-Semitic and blame Jews for allegedly promoting anti-white policies such as immigration and diversity.”

    But how many alt-righters, let alone anti-Semitic alt-righters—who were, after all, the focus of my article—are there? Plus, what tangible, concrete steps can be taken to defeat “an extremely loose movement”? If you’re earnest about stopping anti-Semitism, it’s vital to pinpoint individuals and institutions rather than to vocally lambast the ill-defined “alt-right.”

    Here, not back there, is where I hoped for constructive discussion. I am convinced that left-wing anti-Semitism is more pervasive and more dangerous than alt-right anti-Semitism. I am convinced, first, because of its influence. Alt-right anti-Semitism, like right-wing anti-Semitism, in general, is overt and stupid (meaning literally vulgar) and, therefore, is much easier to be tracked and combatted by law enforcement, nonprofits, and private citizens concerned with fighting bigotry.


    Left-wing anti-Semitism, on the other hand, too often is afforded a pass because it’s given an intellectual veneer by masquerading under the façade of anti-Zionism. (Frequently, it’s downright overt as well, and it usually almost always appears, lo and behold, in connection to disapproval of Israel.) If “you” can say that most of the alt-right is anti-Semitic (which it undoubtedly is), then I certainly don’t see why I can’t also say that most of the “criticism” of Israel is anti-Semitic.
     
  2. Colonel K

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    Give up rebroadcasting the fake news.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I appreciate the OP, but this is not news. The left has been anti-Israel and anti-Jew for a long time. Israel's strongest American allies are evangelical Christians.
     
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    Who require all Jews to convert or die before their imaginary sky fairy magically returns to spread love.

    Anyhow, (*)(*)(*)(*) zionism.
     
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    Wow. There's a lot of hatred there. And probably some deep "issues".
     
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    For sure no shortage of abject hatred emanating from Israel, generally from the settler contingent.

    The hatred from right wing US evangelicals? Satan works in mysterious ways.

    The hatred from the zios? That's a given, it's a hateful ideology unfit for civil human affairs.

    But you mean me, of course, because your programmed to denigrate and dismiss those who nail haters.
     
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    No. The truth is this is how most Jews view us Christians.

    It's very foolish how conservatives use up so much of their energy supporting people who hate our guts.
     
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    It's the degree of intolerance that's usually the issue. I do believe there's far more anti-Semitism on the left but it's mostly them saying intolerant things and supporting intolerant issues. On the extreme right there is less anti-Semitism but some of the anti-Semitic groups are extremely violent. They make the news and they make the right look like the anti-Semitic ones when it's more prevalent on the left, just much less violent.

    I don't know much about the alt-right moment other than they seem to like to give Nazi salutes at their rallies. If that's not who they are then they have a serious marketing problem.
     
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    We just saw the left's anti-Semitism in President Obama reversing decades of USA policy in the USA sub-silentio supporting the UN resolution to condemn Israel for building housing for its citizens. The open hatred by so many liberals borders on raging and pure hatred of Jews.
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    And there it is! Thanks for providing a real world example to go with the OP.

    But I think the anti Semitic contingent on the left has been growing for some time. Consider, an outspoken anti Semite is in the running for DNC chair. If Ellison wins, I can't wait to hear Chuck Schumer explain on TV why Ellison is such a great pick!

    That's why I'm rooting for Ellison. The comedy gold he'll provide will be unmatched!
     
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    Not always. The Zionists were initially aligned with the Soviet Union and the left, before shifting their "alliance" to the right, having realized the latter would prove more profitable for them.
     
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    Do you really think those white, high-class Protestants who vote Republican really care about the Jews?
     
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    That stuff comes from Cyrus Scofield.
     
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    Well that's not really relevant to my comment. However it's insider US politics so I get that you may not be up to speed on that.

    Chuck Schumer will be (in January) the Democratic minority leader in the Senate. He's also Jewish. That's where the entertainment value of this comes in. Keith Ellison is a Democratic Congressman running for Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He's Muslim, has been associated with anti semitic statements and organizations in the past, and is a 9/11 Truther. Still....because he's black, he's hard to oppose even though he's literally the worse choice ever to represent the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is still heavily dependent on Jewish funding so this is an upcoming disaster for the party.

    White Protestants who vote Republican are more likely to be evangelical, and yes, those guys care a lot about Jews and Israel.
     
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    This is codswallop.

    Opposing Israel, like the left usually does, isn't antisemite. The Palestinians are more semitic than the Ukrainian jews who invaded them, that's for sure. Racists will see it as a war between jews and arabs - real humanists sees it as a war between humans, and with this scope, there are, objectively, a kind of abuse there that the world swore would never happen again after 1945.

    Opposing Israel is idealism.

    If the author believes that jews are still hated in the occident, holding as a proof a thousands micro-aggressions, he should look up to the actions of Israel, and the efforts by a certain jewish lobby to suppress our rights of expression regarding them, instead of XIX century folklore. Fact is, the jewish people in the occident are one of the most protected people there are, almost having sacred cow status. The OP expresses outrage that the sacred cow status of the Jewish minority isn't always observed, here and there. Get real.

    PS: Most american Jews are progressive, liberal democrats to begin with, anyway. Ergo, I guess every Jew is a bit antisemitic.
     
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    OK, and how do you define the nature of this relationship? Perhaps you can correct me, but as far as I'm concerned, American Protestants care about the Jews as far as theology is concerned. I don't really see any genuine concern going on there....
     
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    Yes, we need to combat anti semitism. To further the cause, I am paraphrasing here Stalin's all important statement of all ages. The enemies of socialism are real. And we need to wage a real struggle against our real enemies.
     
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    That's because of the Scofield Bible.
     
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    I see a big difference between saying that Israel is a normal nation in the world community, as capable of doing great wrong or abundant good as any other; and saying that all Jews must be killed to the last man, woman and child. Yet the article seems to imply an equivalence between the two. I disagree with that.
     
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    Well it's important to draw a distinction between the evangelical protestants and the mainline denomination protestants. The mainline denominations, like Episcopals or Lutherans, don't care about Jews or Israel. But these are denominations that no longer take the Bible seriously and the churches have evolved into more like social clubs. Evangelical protestants really believe the Bible, and what's key, is that unlike the mainline protestants or other Christian groups, like Catholics or Orthodox, the evangelicals think that Jews are God's chosen people...not in the past but right now. That's why they think that Jews, and only Jews, get a second chance at Christian salvation. This is something that got kicked off in the post world war II era with the restoration (or maybe imperial creation from your point of view ) of the State of Israel. The recreation of Israel has long been part of Bible prophecy, but when it really happened it started the entire end times Bible prophecy craze among evangelicals. So it's not just that in the evangelical worldview that Jews are the good guys, Israel is a state created right out of end time Bible prophecy.

    All of that is pretty meaningless in the rest of the Christian world, but among evangelicals, particularly in the US, it makes support for Israel a non negotiable issue.
     
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    Yes, there it is. Someone disinterested in the suffocating political correctness of any discussion about Israel and why it's allowed itself to be turned into an extremist basket case, soon to be ably assisted by extremist basket cases in Washington.
     

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