How hard is teaching.

I think many have, but not consciously. I don't think they realize what's happened. Our society has normalized bad parenting and goes out if it's way to make excuses for people who fail. We live in a society based on resentment and the baking of others for our own failings.

I don't know if you recall my older posts, but I've experienced some major changes in my thinking over the last few months...

I think I was wrong about a lot of things, let's just put it that way.

 

I am glad you said it though. It needs to be addressed. And made mainstream.

 

Personal responsibility is an awful thing to face. It's much easier to find other narratives that explain away our problems.

 

What a mess,

 

It really is a mess. Our culture can't keep up with technological and economic development. More accurately, the demands of modern society are making us sacrifice things that are of incalculable importance.

 

Well said.

 

We need more parents to step up. Share your experiences. It's your kids after all.

 

Clearly not. Look to Finland's education system, they're the best in the world (besides Asian countries).

 

What's Finland doing?

 

Small class sizes, teachers have phd's and pay is a lot higher because of this, little to no homework, children do not start school until 6 or 7, ALL children are taught in the same class room regardless of ability, etc.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/

 

It's quite clear you have absolutely no understanding of what it takes to be a teacher, and should thus keep your poisonous, uninformed, backwater, contrived opinion to yourself.

It can't possibly be that PARENTS are different now. If a kid gets written up or fails, it's the teacher's fault. There is no accountability on behalf of the tax payers and their children, there is no accountability on behalf of the administration, it's -all on the teachers-, scapegoats for the frothing right wing conglomerate of bought and sold demagogue politicians pitching their vitriol to the benefit of their elitist, rich, private school overseers.

It can't POSSIBLY be the entitled mentality of coddled, pathetic, weak students who are given safe spaces, protection from dissenting opinion, primarily from ABOVE, not from the educators themselves, but the rabid, same self tax payers who insist on scapegoating the teachers when the policies THEIR COMPLAINTS AND LAWSUITS RESULTED IN become a problem.

It can't POSSIBLY be the uninformed, rosy glasses wearing tax payers who listen to Limpballs and other idiotic non-commentators who have ZERO understanding of in the trenches educating.

It's all the teachers. Yes. It's all them. It's none of the above. Because that would mean you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing people would have to take even an OUNCE OR SHRED of accountability for the horrible, odious, foul nonsense you sling, and the resulting bull(*)(*)(*)(*) policies enforced because of the demagoguery of the meek..

Nope. It's all the teachers, the proverbial witches to be burned at the stake of Modern American Conservative Politics.

 

The problem here, just like most all issues we have today, is people try to simplify extremely complex issues...like judging teachers when teachers are only a small percentage of the overall education system. Forcing the highest qualified teachers into a system in which 95% of the parts are not working well will achieve nothing except frustration. Absolutely teachers are part of the total education system issues, however, teachers alone cannot be a solution...

 

Well if we have teachers be phd level then that would shrink the profession. What can we duplicate??

 

I don't think it would shrink the profession, I think it'd finally get the respect it deserves, and better yet, the results.

From Finland, we can duplicate most of these
http://www.businessinsider.com/finland-education-school-2011-12

 

Is there anything the teachers can do better?

 

1. The First and PRIMARY issue with education is a failing, back water, dilution of parenting as a whole, brought on by various socioeconomic issues. We've devalued the family. We've told fathers they are essentially worthless. The family unit has been destroyed and replaced by iPods and iPads and various other interconnective devices which have diluted and demolished any value hard labor or effort may have instilled in our youth.

2. The Second issue is the tax payers. Their children attend school. "Safe" spaces don't come from the sky. They come from (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing, whiney, complaining and complacent tax payers who insist on edu policies being enacted to parent and raise and protect their children. They then blame teachers when these policies THEY DEMANDED become a problem.

3. The Third issue is the administration and unions, who don't let (*)(*)(*)(*) teachers get fired, or PAY EXCELLENT TEACHERS WELL (see number 2), primarily because of the complaining, complacent, whiney tax payers who insist on cheap skating while demanding their children be raised essentially by strangers.

I am SICK of seeing this lack of culpability.

There are BAD TEACHERS. But this intrinsically nihilistic and scapegoating view by a tax base of deluded, delusional, vitriolic demagogues is ASTOUNDING.

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Sure.


BE ENABLED.

That's what they can do better. Enabled to actually educate, to discipline, to TEACH. Not restricted by tort loving lie pitching tax payers who insist on blameshifting and scape goating at every imaginable turn.

 

Here's one of the issues. From the publics pov, when they see all this disorganization, then they lose faith in the system. Nobody is working together. It seems nobody wants to. Then there is no reason to have faith in them as individuals or the system as a whole. I wish people in the school system would understand that.

 

The question is how hard is it to be a good teacher. All of us were once students, right? Looking back, how many good teachers did you have? I went to public school here in s. California and remember 3 great teachers. one would spend his lunch in the classroom and worked with the students who were falling behind.

Most teachers, in my experience, do as little as possible and couldn't care less if kids fail. I put my kids in charter schools and have had great results.

 

Remedial lessons during lunch? Sounds like Mr. Hand surprising Jeff Spicoli with a surprise one-on-one class in Spicoli's bedroom on early American history.

 

This is just one example as to why teaching is becoming far more difficult, and as a result children far less educated.

Let's say I raise my children that homosexuality is wrong. And another raises their child, that it is ok. Using only this scenario as an analogy, can you see how bringing in all other matters, would result in....well.......problems and or difficulties?

If we cannot unite on principalities (discipline to uphold those principalities), then indeed we will fall. A house divided cannot stand, neither can a nation. People must absolutely be aware of this, for it is true and unarguably so.

If it is the wish of Americans to have America fall, all we need do, is continue in where we are now.

 

Teaching is not just about teachers- most of whom enter the field to be useful and help guide future generations. They are motivated by passion, certainly not by money.

If you have a student that is hungry to learn, even a bad teacher doesn't stop them. They read, they watch, they ask, they experiment- and they learn anyway.

If you have a student that hates the idea of learning (he already knows it all anyway) the best of teachers can't make him learn, because he just doesn't have any interest in it and rejects it all. In reality, that is unlikely to change until his attitude brings him to major consequences, and nobody makes excuses for him. That may take 30 years.

An eager student is more critical to the goal of education than a great teacher. Not to say that we shouldn't have the best, but to say they are responsible to teach- but the student is responsible for learning. It takes both to produce consistently high performance.

Private school students invariably have a much better educational score than public schools, and there are reasons. Perhaps the biggest is that private schools provide a positive learning environment. An obnoxious student is warned once, sent packing on the next offense- so they are not allowed to disrupt the learning environment, something which public schools can't seem to prevent.

In the most effective school systems in the world, like Finland, teachers are given about the same respect as top professionals. Parents bring them gifts and thank them for what they do. Their salaries are much higher than what our teachers make, and they have much more control over the class environment than we allow our teachers to have. We should be learning from them- but we aren't.

Number one problem is attitude of kids, coupled with lack of discipline by parents, lack of teacher support by parents, lack of teacher support by educational districts and laws. Teachers should not have to be wardens, but that mindset is needed just for survival in some schools. Teachers want to see their kids succeed- but as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.....

Get a class of kids hungry to learn, and watch what appears to be an ordinary teacher put out some exceptional results.

 

Your first on the list makes a lot of sense.

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This is a concern. Because kids should be able to look back and feel great about their teachers as a staff. Interesting.

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You may be right.

 

From what I am reading here, it's an amusing blame game being played. Lots of suggestions as to how to change things, but there's no push to do that. They'll blame the administrators, but the administrators are mostly ex-teachers who managed to get promoted out of the hell of a classroom environment, and let some fresh face straight out of university take over the 5x5 (five classes every day for five days a week) grind.

They also blame the students for being incorrigible hellions, and the parents for not doing their parental job of teaching those kids they implicitly admit are ineducable as things stand, and maybe blame certain federal programs like NCLB for forcing them to teach so that their students can pass tests (teach to the test).

As I said, it's an amusing little game to watch from afar. Might as well blame the sun for being too hot, and just as soon as the sun starts cooling down a bit, then you're going to be amazed at how great teachers really are.

 

That would be sad if nobody did anything. There has to be an urgency to make change. Hopefully folks will get busy and not just vent. As you said. That is a problem in itself.

 

The only urgency amongst teachers is to maintain the status quo. If they were to be thrown into a capitalist market-driven environment, 90% of them would have to learn how to do something else, or starve. They know this, and they also know that they're far too soft for the free market.

They need the state to mandate their jobs, so they continue to blame everybody else but themselves for their woefully inadequate performance. They'll keep doing this until hell freezes over.