Stealing an election is not the same thing as winning an election

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  1. juanvaldez

    juanvaldez Banned

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    Thank you, WikiLeaks!
     
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    Maybe I wasn't clear enough. In this case beating and stealing are the same thing.
     
  3. ChiefSeattle

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    And you sir are the ultimate fail with zero evidence. Enjoy story telling much?
     
  5. ChiefSeattle

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    I never said it was the main cause. But you just did. I have maintained that it was a contributing cause. The main cause, which was also proven, was voter suppression.
     
  6. ChiefSeattle

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    WI,PA, and MI, were lost because of voter purge, limiting polling stations to one in mostly minority cities, discarding absentee ballots for souls to the polls when they were never absent, and cutting off the security machines to make sure the vote was not counted. And that doesn't even take into account the almost 3 million vote lead between Clinton and Trump because of the popular vote. If those voters who lost their right to vote were counted, plus the popular votes, Hillary wins by 7 to 8 million votes. That is straight up cheating, and everyone in the country knows it.
     
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    I really doubt it. This election was between two very unwanted candidates. There was Trump which just above or below 60% of All Americans view negativly or his unfavorables were around 60%. Hillary, her's were usually between 55-57%. In fact according to Gallup 25% of all Americans detested both candidates. Me Included which is why I voted for Johnson. You had two candidates the majority of Americans didn't want to be their next president. The problem was one of them had to win.

    One of them won, but without my help and without the help of 8 million other Americans who voted third party who couldn't stomach voting for either of the two evils.

    Today, neither Trump supporters or Clinton supporters will ever admit their candidate was that disliked, unwanted. So we have a president election that the majority of Americans don't want, if Clinton had won, it would have been the same. To me the lose to Trump was Hillary's fault and the Democrats for nominating her. I would have said the same to the Republicans, Trump supporters if Clinton had won.

    I personally think either one will or would have had such a hard time governing due to the dislike of each, there is no uniting this country. Trump is divisive as is Hillary. Perhaps with the polarization that has taken place, there is no one out there to unite us. But the good news out of all of this is the two major parties continue to shrink. Offering us two such unwanted and unliked candidates, they both need to go out of existence.
     
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    What utter nonsense. Just WI was enough to give Trump the Presidency and yet Hillary didn't campaign in WI ONCE after securing the nomination. But she campaigned in Arizona? She lost, because she is an idiot.

    Sad!

    Hillary, the Drunken Kleptocrat Clinton was the first major-party nominee to shun campaigning in the state, in forty four years!

    Not Smart!
     
  10. QLB

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    Wrong, it doesn't bother me in the least that your side lost.
     
  11. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You presented no proof whatsoever.

    In fact, Democratic leaders and Republican leaders both insist the "election" was not hacked.
     
  12. Zorro

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    Poppycock!

    Hillary loses the election if she loses ANY of WI, MI or PA. And she managed to lose all three!

    She lost because she didn't even bother to campaign in WI after securing the nomination. WI put Trump at 270, she might as well have just handed him the keys to the Whitehouse!

    She lost Michigan because she is an idiot. Everyone with a brain knew she was going to lose IOWA, yet when the SEIU realized they were losing MI and set off to save it, Hillary ordered them to stop, turn the bus around and go back to Iowa!

    Why? They were going to "trick" Trump into competing for Iowa! Why? Hillary's clever turnout models assured her she had the MI in the bag with a +5 lead!

    “They believed they were more experienced, which they were. They believed they were smarter, which they weren’t,” said Donnie Fowler, who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee during the final months of the campaign. “They believed they had better information, which they didn’t.”

    That’s the same data operation, of course, that predicted Clinton would beat Bernie Sanders in Michigan, a state he won in a massive upset. There are few politicians with thicker skulls than Hillary Clinton!

    “I’ve never seen a campaign like this,” said Virgie Rollins, a Democratic National Committee member and longtime political hand in Michigan who described months of failed attempts to get attention to the collapse she was watching unfold in slow-motion among women and African-American millennials.

    Rollins, the chair emeritus of the Michigan Democratic Women’s Caucus, said requests into Brooklyn for surrogates to come talk to her group were never answered. When they held their events anyway, she said, they also got no response to requests for a little money to help cover costs.

    The face of Dumb, Dazed and Stupid:
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    Michigan operatives relay stories like one about an older woman in Flint who showed up at a Clinton campaign office, asking for a lawn sign and offering to canvass, being told these were not “scientifically” significant ways of increasing the vote, and leaving, never to return. A crew of building trade workers showed up at another office looking to canvass, but, confused after being told there was no literature to hand out like in most campaigns, also left and never looked back.

    “There’s this illusion that the Clinton campaign had a ground game. The deal is that the Clinton campaign could have had a ground game,” said a former Obama operative in Michigan. “They had people in the states who were willing to do stuff.

    Dumb!

    Guided by polls that were wrong, the campaign spent about 3 percent as much in Michigan and Wisconsin as it spent in Florida, Ohio and North Carolina and managed to lose all 5! That's 88 ECV and if she could have picked up just 38 of them, she would be getting sworn in... she managed to lose every damn one of them!

    Not just dumb, HILLARY-DUMB!

    No one was knocking on doors trying to drum up support for the Democratic nominee, which also meant no one was hearing directly from voters aside from voters they’d already assumed were likely Clinton voters, no one tracking how feelings about the race and the candidates were evolving. This left no information to check the polling models against — which might have, for example, showed the campaign that some of the white male union members they had expected to be likely Clinton voters actually veering toward Trump — and no early warning system that the race was turning against them in ways that their daily tracking polls weren’t picking up!

    Hubris, Thy Name Is HILLARY!

    With Clinton’s team ignoring or rejecting requests, Democratic operatives in Michigan and other battleground states might have turned to the DNC. But they couldn’t; they weren’t allowed to ask for help!

    State officials were banned, by Hillary, from even speaking directly to anyone at the DNC in Washington.

    Suffocating Control by Complete Idiots:
    People at the DNC and in battleground states speak of angry, bitter calls that came in from Brooklyn whenever they caught wind of contact between them, adamant that only the campaign’s top brass could approve spending or tactical decisions.

    “Don’t touch them. Stay away!” Clinton campaign said after hearing about a "rogue conversation" between a battleground operative and an official at the DNC. “You can’t be calling those people!" In their own MI campaign?

    To Brooklyn, this was the only way to shut down what they perceived early as an effort to undermine the campaign’s planning, DNC officials made promises they couldn’t keep to friends in the states, took credit for moves Clinton’s staff already were making, or looked to dig up trouble to use against them later. What a dysfunctional mess!

    Brooklyn’s theory from the start was that 2016 was going to be a purely base turnout election. Efforts were focused on voter registration and then, in the final weeks, turning out voters identified as Clinton’s, without confirmation that they were. The stupid Clinton Campaign actually were so dumb, they missed the turn against them, and so their turn out campaign, turned out Trump Voters!

    Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!

    Hillary's "plan" was built around holding Pennsylvania and winning just one more state — electoral math that would have denied Trump the presidency on the assumption Michigan and Wisconsin were Clinton’s, and then she managed to lose all three!

    Waving off complaints during a visit to Michigan a few weeks out, The Clinton campaign explained that Clinton was going to clobber Trump in the final debate so instead of spending resources in MI they were going to spend money enlarging their Senate "majority" then failed to take MI or the Senate! By the time they arrived in Las Vegas for that third debate, Clinton’s top aides were boasting about how they were about to expand the lead and pull marginal Senate candidates over the line to give her a governing majority!

    Millions approved for transfer from Clinton’s campaign for use by the DNC — which, under a plan devised by "Dirty Donna" Brazile to drum up urban turnout out of fear that Trump would win the popular vote while losing the electoral vote, got dumped into Chicago and New Orleans, far far anywhere from MI, PA, WI, OH, FL or NC, you know, states that actually would have made a difference in the election!

    Sanders threw himself into campaign appearances for Clinton throughout the fall, but Hillary's campaign never asked the Vermont senator’s campaign aides for help thinking through Michigan, Wisconsin or anywhere else where he had run so strong!

    It wasn't until November when the campaign finally reached out to the White House to get President Barack Obama into Michigan, a state that he’d worked hard and won by large margins in 2008 and 2012. On the Monday before Election Day, Obama added a stop in Ann Arbor, but that final weekend, the president had played golf on Saturday and made only one stop in Orlando on Sunday! No one asked him to do anything else! Biden wanted to help, but the Clinton Campaign would not give clearance for the VICE President to help them!

    Trump’s last stop of the election, of course, was a massive rally in Michigan that went on past midnight!

    Smart!

    By noon the war rooms in New York, the Clinton Campaign had already started celebratory drinking and preparation was shifting to the Presidential transition teams!

    But an hour-and-a-half after polls closed, Clinton aides began to panic. Their own internal analytics team numbers in shambles, they found themselves staring at the numbers sitting at the bottom of the TV tuned to CNN, Despite all their advantages, they had managed to do what no other Democrat Presidential candidate had managed in 22 years, lose Michigan!

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547

    Sad!

    I blame the Ruskies!
     
  13. Thehumankind

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    As I could remember the hackers only made a reminder.
    But internet hacking in general is really bad mostly if it covers politics.
     
  14. Germania

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    Is it Russias fault or the Dems own immortality?

    Is it evil that they publicized evil?
    Did Russia cast all of the votes or did individual voters to win the election?
    Is it evil that by publicising evil they helped the right canidate win?
     
  15. shades

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    this whole hacking crap is like your teenager stealing a car and then blaming her friend because she squealed on her
     
  16. ArmySoldier

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    I'm not sure how to process the blatant dishonesty of the post I'm reading.
     
  17. ChiefSeattle

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    If it were really dishonest, then there should be no problem processing it. After all, it was you who said it was dishonest right?
     
  18. ChiefSeattle

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    Attacking the argument by changing the narrative will never improve your chances of reversing the argument in your favor. Not sure why you bother? You've contributed nothing to proving me wrong.
     
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    Haha you're the one that wrote the post. I see you're new here. You lost respect amongst posters on all sides of the spectrum when OP's are false. Feel free to edit.
     
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    What a joke. They never name names. " ItÂ’s been confirmed by multiple sources and even Russian officials that Russian hackers broke into DNC emails in an attempt to help Donald Trump win the election."

    Who are the multiple sources and the Russian official? You won't find out reading this left wing TP.
     
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    None of the above. They're only offended about Hillary not winning.
     
  23. ChiefSeattle

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    Some folks are just too lazy to click on subtitles; http://www.learnprogress.org/russia-won-election-trump/
     
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    Yea some are but I'm not. There's nothing there. Click on one and it just loops you back around to where you started. If you saw the names than name them.
     
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    They admitting to hacking Hillary;s E-mails.
    YOU claimed they hacked the election
    For this, you have not provided any evidence whatsoever,

    The Russians did not hack the election; not a single vote was fabricated or eliminated by any such effort.
    Disagree?
    Provide proof that the Russians did either/both of the above.
     

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