Donald Trump open to lifting sanctions on Russia

Yes another election we interfered with...

 

I think you have it bass ackwards.....

 

You should listen to the latest press conference once again. I have, in full. Hearing Trump talk is like continually driving around on a roundabout. Round and round we go, for no apparent reason.

Trump just summarizes, sort of, certain words he heard. Perhaps while being half asleep. Like in this case Hacking and Defense.

And then he tries to stick em together to make up his own garbled speech, which explains sentences that go nowhere. About hacking, we need to stop hacking, we have much hacking going on, we have much hacking going on, we need to stop hacking, this hacking, we must make defense, we must make defense against hacking. Because hacking is bad, horrible thing, horrible thing, we must have defense for hacking.

What was really said to him about the detailed policies that address the issue of hacking he has forgotten or never heard in the first place.

I think Trump, literally, lacks the mental capacity to store and remember information. Or he just doesn't give a s**t.

As a result he he doesn't know anything about anything! (Certainly not enough about what's, currently, going on in the world. His advisers are exhausting their breath talking to him.)

As such, there is NO WAY this man will be able to gain the upper hand in world politics.

Vladimir Putin doesn't need to worry in that regard.

 

Russia's position in Syria seems to be a relatively simple one: Okay, you get rid of Assad. What's next? The former Administration was like 'Who cares, Assad must go!" And Russia's like 'We care, because as seen in Libya a broken State becomes a safe haven for terrorists."

So it's not so much that Russia is pro-Assad, Russia doesn't want to see Syria collapse or become a pro-Western State. If Syria were a neutral political power, Russia would be content with this.

And I can see Russia's point on this. I don't have a geopolitical interest in Syria, and I too want to see Syria as a neutral political power. We must back away from the rebels, upon assurances of a political reform that will leave it open to new elections. And a sworn commitment on the US part that we don't care who wins the new Syrian Elections.

Crimea was historically Russian for quite some time, while Russia's actions were aggressive, they can't say to have changed the world map by any measure. We could of course, continue to "oppose" this measure but our opposition will not uphold the INTL Community. It will only bring us closer to the Russian conflict.

Because Oil is still a necessity and Russia controls a huge chunk of oil supply. What was possible with regards to Iran's sanctions, is not possible for Russia. If Russia wanted to, Russia could engage in a trade war of its own. A sort of scorched earth policy. And Russians are obedient to the max to their regimes.

So, make the world worse off by staring down the Russians? Or conceding the point of Crimea, which we technically have already done in that we have no military mobilization whatsoever. If a defense treaty were signed between the Russians and Europeans, this would assure both sides as to their intentions and this could be resolved as well.

When's the last treaty the US actually negotiated, much less signed?(I think it was that Climate Change accord. A relative yawn really)

 

Fair points.

I think our initial involvement with the rebels in Syria was perhaps misguided with ever shifting allegiances on the part of various groups. and the rise of ISIL.

I see Putin as simply attempting to prop up Assad, and indiscriminately attacking various rebel factions along with ISIS to support the goals of Russia.

Assad is a brutal dictator, and whether or not Putin kills off ISIL in his support of Assad seems moot as the initial goals of the US were not to support Assad.

I think this is a case of the enemy of my enemy is still our enemy. We view it as fighting between 3 sides, ISIL, Assad, and rebel factions. Putin views it as Assad versus both ISIL and the rebels.

So what side are we on when ISIL is dead? Propping up Assad?

 

A lot of people know nothing at all about it. And that is the reason they are criticizing Russia: Just plain ignorance.

 

If it were me?(Which I can only answer, I agree that Trump is an imbecile. But this imbecile is the President, and I feel for the country to heal, he must be given his space as president.). If it were me, I cannot concede to an Assad regime(obviously) that has butchered millions of innocents. Just because you have two sides of evil, does not mean you have to tolerate a side of evil.

It would have been better to simply leave Syria alone entirely. But now that we put US assets there, and contributed to the violence, we're all the more obligated to contribute to a lasting solution. I would give Russia bullet points of what it would take for the US to leave.

-A Guarantee that Assad would step down. This doesn't have to happen "immediately", but within 1-2 years(24 months), so as to give a sense of stability and rebuilding while preparing for the new elections.

-In the new elections, we will avoid the same fate as Iraq. We won't allow sectarian rifts to continue in a political process. IE: It means nothing if an Assad-puppet is elected. While the Syrians can elect whoever on merit, we would stick to this point to assure that Assad doesn't pull a Putin himself(Putin became PM while Mededev played at president)

If Russia is sincere(admittedly, an if) about a neutral Syria without much fanfare for Assad, then a post-Assad world can be created without Syria totally collapsing. Russia gets what it wants, we get what we want. And those earnest rebels get what they want.

On the issue of Crimea/Ukraine(and Europe)(which also means NATO)

-Extend an offer to Russia to join NATO as a member-state, and thus giving Russia the responsibility of protecting Eurasia. A key part of NATO is that no member ally may attack another. Thus, Russia joining NATO is a de-facto guarantee to Eastern Europe.

-As mentioned in my previous post, we can intermediate a discussion between the Europeans/Russians, and try to get them to agree to the relative border questions, etc. Putin doesn't want a major war while his economy is trying to recover, and the Europeans want the same. There's room there for a peaceful resolution of tensions.

Ideally, we resolve these things peacefully and restore calm to a new geographical scenario of spreading violence and political movements against innocent people.

 

Are they not in Republican control?

 

They all disagree with Trump on Russia.

 

Nuff said............

 

I'm all for having a good relationship with Russia but if America is going to do things for them, like lift sanctions, then I would like to see Russia return the favor. By say giving back the Crimean Peninsula to Ukraine (will never happen) and stopping their meddling in eastern Ukraine (might happen.)

 

I know. I liked the way Putin made Trump nominate General Bulldog Janis Mattis as Defence Secretary.

Just look at all this wonderful things Mattis said about Russia in his confirmation hearing. Some paraphrased.

Russia is trying to smash Nato

....increasing number of areas in which we will have to confront Russia”.

Russia had intentionally targeted civilians in military attacks in Syria... absolutely a violation of the law of war...

Russia is “doing nothing to aid in the destruction and defeat of Isis”.

 

Wait just a minute. That's not flattery!

I think Trump is saying to Putin. Let's be friends but if you try to stab me in the back or you try to get over on America you'll have to deal with my bulldog.

 

Civilians like OBL? You spent years telling me didn't kill anyone...

 

They will tow the line...

You can bank on it...

I bet you thought hillary would win too.........

 

To much scotch?

 

Why on earth did you vote for Trump?

 

Just to elaborate; Vladimir Putin wants to re-incarnate the Soviet Union in some form or another. This is about the worst kept secret in the world but Trump wouldn't know about it until it's actually happened.
And Putin is laughing already for idiot Trump suggested lifting sanctions. (Trump himself doesn't even know why he said that, other than just to say something.) The fact that Putin would abuse this freedom to go on some Hitleresque conquest eludes Trump completely.

Sarah Palin was actually aware that she could see Russia from her house. Trump couldn't see Russia (pardon, Soviet Union) if it sat on his pigface.

 

Much of Putin bad behavior was compounded because of Obama and Hillary. Obama had many reasons and opportunity to apply pressure to Russia but he never did! It would seem invasion nor interference with mission in the middle east doesn't hold the same urgency as rumored hacking that has been going on for years *Shrug*

 

I don't think that is true. I think the president responded adequately using diplomacy.

 

What sort of "bad behavior" are you referring to? Do you mean thwarting NATO's support of ISIS as a tool for destabilizing the Middle East? But you probably mean some real "bad behavior" instead of fake behaviour.

 

So why did you vote for Trump? Can you explain?

 

We applied sanctions to Russia years ago

 

Clearly not enough

 

Seems to me that Obomba was twisting his tanned buttocks to start a war with Russia all along. But Putin is a chess master. He sat back - took a good look - weighed the pros and the cons - figured out what was going on - could see the United Snakes was itching to swarm the board with its perpetually duped NATO chumps ....... and simply moved an inconsequential pawn one square forward rather than charge out with a rook and a knight. Pure genius! When the fake news was burning the pavement all over the west, what did Putin do? The same! One pawn forward! And now as the Whine House & Pentagram are fuming at having made no progress what-so-ever, and trying to provoke Putin by closing diplomatic legations with Russia and increasing sanctions ......... what does Putin do? Yep! One pawn forward. The sanctions have had little effect, the Whine House has been unable to provoke war, the criminal truth about the whole American political sphere is exposed, ISIS has all but produce the receipt for arms it's been allotted from Washington, and Hitlery Clinton has been flushed down the toilette. All Putin has to do is wait out the clock. "Time" as they say, "is on his side"!

Sing it Vlado!
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