White House press secretary attacks media for accurately reporting inauguration crowd

I must say very good dissect of this entire issue. I stated before his attack on the media is considerably childish so I think we can agree.

I believe the point on people waiting for the 3am tweets is considerably funny. The man is 70 odd do these people really think he is sitting up awake thinking and planning how to rebuild America??? No, that is the time when his bladder wakes him up and sends him to the smallest room in the Whitehouse. Most likely gets a media report to read or something and simply blabs anything that comes to mind. For those who have gotten a bit of age will know, it is not world changing (*)(*)(*)(*)E, it is knee jerk reaction. Sort of gives one a giggle thinking people are actually waiting on his toilet tweets...


Seriously, defending childish rants over not getting the coverage Trump believes he should have is ludicrous. Once again he may be the best thing for the US but he has to understand a considerable amount of people don't like him. If he is going to garner support, he has to impress them he can do the job he said he would do. Then people will still not like him but they will respect him.

If he wants the media to toe the line stop telling them too and start doing the job. While the media does embellish the truth they do not blatantly lie. Take the dossier incident, I do not think anybody in the entire world would argue that Putin has a dossier on Trump and that the contents maybe embarrassing. Even all the media has a dossier on him and it too has been embarrassing. so to the basis of the news is true, and I am sure that state dinner where Trump embarrassed himself by spilling that drink down his shirt some 30years ago would be a game changer, as for the contents being mainstream media I would question all no matter what they reported. I do believe a considerable amount of Americans are no different to me on that count.

I believe, For Trump and his cohorts to continually attack the media with the vindication of previous Presidents actions detracts from his own as you clearly point out. Trump is going to be different, Trump is going to bring change. Still looking for anything while his supporters are justifying his actions through similarity of actions.

 

Maybe this argument is not a waste of time...

Let me get this right, if you’re a Trump detractor. You expect Trump to do what he promises and when he does not it is a broken promise.

If you’re a supporter, trump promises something, your bias will embellish that promise to mean anything you want it to mean.

That about sums it up???

I can see why Trump and his supporters want to berate the media into reporting what they want them too.

So tell me, IF Trump gets his way with the media and has all Americans believing they are lying when they report something Trump does not like, HOW are you going to know, if he has achieved the promises you contort to be acceptable to your beliefs??? If Trump does not want his failures to be reported you will never know, or believe. So it sounds a little strange to me, in a nation who embraces the legal right to free speech that you’re so willing to breach such.

 

Nope, not even close. Results are all that matters. I need the solution to the illegal immigration problem, not the wall, I need manufacturing jobs, not tariffs. I want to see these results achieved and I could not care less how they are achieved, whether they involve wall and tariffs or some totally different approaches. As long as he is successful it all that matters. And being a realist, I will be happy with 20%-30% completion rate by the end of his first term.

What does free speech have to do with anything? Exposing their lies is the other side of free speech, not an attempt to stifle it. They'll keep reporting, don't worry, no one is closing newspapers and throwing them in prisons.

As far as finding the truth is concerned, I don't trust them already and it does not prevent me from finding the truth. There are multiple sources of information and then there is logic, common sense and analysis which can be utilized. I wish it was easier and I could simply rely on the media for free, accurate and unbiased reporting.... but THEY LIE, DISTORT, TWIST

 

Trumps inauguration attendance was like his hands.......about half the size of Obama's.

 

Trump's press secretary just announced that 1.2 million fans are in the stands at the Packer/Falcon game.

 

Now let me point something out, just as I alluded originally.
All these things are not in question, the point is, you are attacking the media and defending Trumps attacks on the media for not reporting what Trump wants reported. If that media decides to only report what Trump and his team believe is acceptable, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW ???

For example, “If Trump builds a border wall with Mexico and the illegal immigration problem is not improved - I will consider it a failure. If he does not build that wall but finds other ways to solve the illegal immigration problem - I will consider it the ultimate success.” Who is going to tell you??? After all, if his failures aren’t reported just how are you going to decide??? Unless you are getting all the information from some other source than media and Trump then obviously you are going to believe what you are told. So it does not matter what you believe, who you support, if all the information you are getting is tainted then you are just not going to know.

Sorry, is this for real??? OF course they are trying to stifle the media by attempting to discredit it. Just as on these boards people are attempting to stifle ignorance and fabrications by discrediting it. At present all we have seen from Trump is attempts to discredit American media organisations with various claims. We have also seen his supporters defending that very attempt at stifling the media by comparing it to previous presidents which I consider to be rather funny as Trump was elected on the basis he was different.

Sounds like you read too many tabloids and claim them as media. I know it can be difficult at times but we can disregard those certain reports were the headlines are “Martians kidnapped my cat and returned my new husband” is a tabloid… lol just having a laugh…
Seriously, unless you are wrapping up media opinion as being lies then yes, but predominantly there is a fine line between truth and lies in the media, the basis of any reporting has to have some truth about it in reputable media sources. Then comes the twisting and distortion and the trick (as you would know ) is to dig that truth out. Then you have to verify it with another source and so on. But to simply defend one person’s perception of the truth because you support his presidency is simply ludicrous and I am sure you don’t think you. This thread is about the hard done by belief of the Trump administration by the media. Opinions vary but the facts remain the same, by all opinion the media got it wrong but the facts say different.

Since the board is full of the numbers at this event and that event I have to ask, what difference does it make??? Trump is elected and sworn President of America, nothing will change that. Fact is he is not liked, nothing will change that. Complaining he is anything but is simply stupid. If now you want to stand and oppose such a stupid point on the basis the media is bias and ALL telling lies your just setting yourself up to remain ignorant to the truth. You are not holding them to account, you’re not changing reality, your just stifling the media from reporting.

So if you’re going to get caught up with this blatant sleight of hand, one has to ask, how are you going to know??? Thus is the first step toward tyrany... Blind the people, next is eradicate the legal... and so on...

 

Dude, your strawman equating the criticism of mainstream media with stifling free speech makes your entire drivel frankly meaningless as it's pretty much based on this ridiculous assumption. They are not going anywhere, they will keep reporting, they are already discredited as 70+% of the population don't trust them today and the world is not ending and people know the truth, or most of it anyway as they are no longer the only game in town.

Your other argument, that we should not criticize the lying media for lying because without this lying media we can't know the truth is an obvious logical fallacy and as I mentioned before, they are no longer the only game in town, there are multiple sources of information allowing people with a brain to figure out what really is going on.

 

Sorry, my argument we should not criticize??? You can criticize all you want. I question your motives when you support your government demanding anything from the media. You can do as you like, but telling media that repercussions will occur if they do not toe the government line is not just criticism but censorship, no matter how your bias stand.

The point is clearly lost on you, you seem far to ingrain in the belief that you are able to garner all you need to ascertain the truth on the subject yet on this very thread, you protect your governments claims which are clearly false and want to believe you have the truth. What media organisation provided you with your facts???

Perhaps a visit to China or Russia will demonstrate how control of media can achieve that blinding of the people while still pretending open and cordial media.

 

I'm not liking this thread, it's not focusing enough on the topic at hand. Discuss the photos.

The one observation I can make on this, for what it's worth: In another thread here on PF, another poster shared the CNN "megapixel" photo that was taken during Trump's speech

-contrasting it with this one:
One should take into account, that the megapixel one is taken from a riser maybe 20, maybe 40 feet from ground level. Different vertical angle than the much higher perspective pic taken from the top of the Washington Monument. In the Megapixel pic, you'd be less likely to see the empty areas even when you zoom in, simply because of the angle at which the pic is taken. So the real debate has to be over the two side by side Washington Monument photos, as they are the only two that were taken from the exact same place.

Are they real or are they legit. Are either of them photoshopped or not to make either crowd look bigger or smaller than it really was? Was the time stamp on the Trump pic taken from the Washington Monument fake, or not (btw, what time of day exactly was Trump's inauguration speech?). Was the DJT photo really taken while people were still filing in, well before the ceremony began?
I can't speak for networks, but I work in local TV news (photographer/editor) and all I can say is neither I nor my colleagues have time to be photoshopping pictures or scheming other ways to deliberately deceive our viewers, on a daily basis we're too bogged down with deadlines and getting our assigned story on the air.

Also, I have to say many of that Spicer guy's statements were pretty weak. "Intentionally framed"? The two photos that showed the contrast between BHO and DJT ceremonies have almost the exact same framing, and appear to be taken from the exact same vantage point. New white ground coverings make empty areas "stand out" more than with the Obama crowds? Even if that were true, looking at the Obama side of those two photos, it's pretty clear that throughout the entire mall are heads of people, not just grass, or some darker ground covering that somehow looks like a crowd.

Then on top of all that he just gives that statement to the press and takes no questions? Isn't that part of a press secretary's job, especially at a news conferenece?

 

1. The only "repercussion" that was ever mentioned was the promise to keep the media accountable, which means to expose media lies, corruption, collusion, lazy reporting, dissemination of fake news... See, it's no big deal, it's a good thing to keep the media honest and you've already fantasized some horrors like Guantanamo concentration camp full of reporters. That's what lying liberal media does to young and vulnerable brain.

2. I spent more years in the Soviet Union than you did on this planet. Why don't you go there to see what real, not imaginary suppression of free speech and free media, what real government controlled press and real totalitarian government looks like.

 

Is this little anecdote true?

 

I honestly thought he was gonna cry there for a minute...

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-offered-5-cents-dollar-cancelled-fireworks/

 

I am sorry but who are you to suggest what making the media accountable means??? This very thread points out that your new Press secretary is claiming the media for lying based on his and Trumps opinion with absolutely no facts.

Again when government threatens media, I am not sure ‘your’ interpretation of what those threats are make an iota of truth. It may well be what you believe, but it is not fact.

I am little puzzled about what I have done at Guantanamo, but whatever rocks your boat.

Then I would have assumed you see the light through the trees. You see to get to such a point, you need to start somewhere. Making the media toe your line… if this be true you know where it goes.

But we get to the bottom of your argument, “That's what lying liberal media does…” So it is not ALL media who lie and twist, it is just “Liberal media”. I get it now, if it agrees with your particular political persuasion it is good. If it opposes, it is lying twisting blah blah. If it massages your political ego, it good. If it opposes your political opinion and beliefs, it corrupt.

Sorry, but you have the wrong person to discuss this with, I have no vested interest in either side…

 

Why doesn't Trump set the example and start telling the truth? He's already been caught in a number of bald faced lies; when will it stop. I hope the media holds his feet to the fire for the next 4 years.

 

The "threat" to keep the media accountable for their lies is not a threat, it's a promise to expose these lies. Yawn, too boring. I am just curious, what exactly do you think the government will do to the media, what's your worst fear? Be specific, no platitudes or drivels please.

 

LOL at libs who had no problems with 8 years of Obama lies, 2 years of Hillary campaign lies, incompetence, negligence and criminal activities, decades of media lies, collusions, bad reporting and fake news, but Trump exaggerating the number of inauguration participants is the end of the world and the only issue worth discussing. Keep it up libs, I don't mind, that has worked so well for you that you've lost the senate, the congress, dozens of governorships and state legislatures and now the white house. Well done

 

Oh you want specifics. I believe I already pointed out that this entire thread was a waste of time. But your comment ignited the curiosity that often gets me to query if your being deliberately ignorant or you really are that ignorant.

What do I expect the government will do??? I believe Trump and his minions will be severally spanked by the media. This stupidity of threatening the media in any way shape or form in the US will only make them act detrimentally to the Trump administration. Building animosity with the media will in no way benefit Trump. Honestly, for the next 12 months Trump will be repairing bridges and achieving nothing due entirely to this particularly stupid tactic.

My worse fear, While Trump is so busy trying to demonstrate the greatness of America, the rest of the world will pass you by. Since half of the world rely completely on US hegemony, this distraction will only cause to blind the US until it is far too late.

But hey, I am talking internationally, you are still stuck on dividing your nation.By the way I believe your being deliberately ignorant.

 

So despite your 5 previous posts, you are not worried in the slightest that something bad will happen to the US media and freedom of press. Good to know and you are absolutely correct, nothing will, sleep tight.

 

Something bad has already happened, however, I am secure in the fact in the US there are enough checks and balances to prevent them damaging the US to any great extent.

Clearly as I point out, I am looking at the detrimental point internationally which you appear to be happy about. While you wish to point out the left and right, liberal and social the democrats and so on are wrong because they are what they are. What is it “LOL at libs who had no problems with 8 years of Obama lies, 2 years of Hillary campaign lies, incompetence, negligence and criminal activities, decades of media lies, collusions, bad reporting and fake news…” Now we could sit here and discuss the failures of Obama and Clinton all you like, but it is Trump who has been elected and I would assume his actions are for the better of America, not simply to oppose a previous administration.

While you want to divide your nation by political preference the world is getting on with it and low and behold you are far too busy bickering with yourselves to see what is going on.

While you’re complaining of failure of the media, Russia and China is meeting with nations openly pushing their presence in Asia and Europe. Thanks mostly to the hollow rhetoric of Trump and the constant media threat you are not aware of the presence Russia is gaining in the Middle East, one of the most detrimental areas to the US economy. While you fight about your media you have been blinded to the fact your political opposed countries are gaining real ground in alliances and treaties that America seems to be happy to ignore.

BUT you were aware of that because you get your information from other sources. Clearly, a waste of time...

 

Crowd size is largely kept a secret because of the brooha over the Million Man March. Those on the Mall may or may not have also been some of those along the parade route for instance. The media was talking about this crowd size thing all throughout the inauguration, or at least MSNBC was. Ultimately it is silly on both sides. I used to live in that area. I went to one. After that fiasco I decided you couldn't pay me to do another one. None of the people I still know who live in that area who are on my FB went either even though most supported Trump. They had no desire to drag their little ones into that on a rainy day. Obama undoubtedly got a lot more people showing up but a lot more people in that area are democrats anyway.

 

LOL, you're funny, first you keep going on and on, post after post about a mortal danger the US media is facing from the hands of evil monster Trump. Then when cornered, you admit that there is absolutely no danger to the media and freedom of press. I am glad that chapter of our dialogue is closed and you are not worried any more.Now instead you are attacking me, calling me ignorant and whining about the dangerous situation in the world.... Which is indeed dangerous, courtesy of spineless and indecisive Obama administration and his incompetent cabinet. Which happens to be one of the reasons why the American people elected Trump. Which happens to have nothing to do with our conversation.

 

Thank you for clearing THAT up.
In your post, you told this story as if it were an actual confirmed business deal that really happened between Donald and Hillary, as an example of how good Donald is at "making deals"

The article just quotes Trump telling a crowd that he made said 5 cents on the dollar offer. Just because he told them that doesn't mean it actually happened, and even if he did make that offer, if she never responded, then there never was any "deal" made.

 

Oh I am sorry, I did not think you believed I was stating there was "mortal danger", if I knew you were assuming such I would have pointed out your wrong assumption.

As for the point of Obama, it is not me who is assuming political leaning. Since Most of what is occurring on the global stage at this time has all to do with Trump and nothing to do with Obama, I would have considered Trumps first few media engagements would be used reaffirm Trumps, ergo Americas direction so the rest of the world can go about business as they see fit. BUT no, just media attacks.

The fact you want to simply point out the issues you are unaware of (obviously) because your too busy defending stupid sleight of hand activities of Trump administration as me insulting you just further demonstrates the tactics of Trump administration to blind you to what is happening in the world...

Let me put it simply, what is your measure of greatness of America and how do you expect to measure it??? I would expect you would compare yourselves to the rest of the world. But if your far too busy arguing about what the media can report…