How Do you Feel Now?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by pwillie, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. Nordic Democrat

    Nordic Democrat Well-Known Member

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    Corporations have no "rights", they are entities, not people. They do what we allow them to. Why would you allow them to build up a company and jobs and peoples careers, then decide they're greedy so they want to escape paying decent wages? Is that moral to you?
     
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    insulting and troll like. shame on you. he is proud to be an american again and that is a beautiful thing.
     
  3. Nordic Democrat

    Nordic Democrat Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the employees, ALL of them INCLUDING management, will vote to decide the fate of the company. Are you against democracy? What's the point of voting for politicians, but NOT something you do every day, work?

    Sad to see someone with such an awesome avatar think so little of his fellow workers.
     
  4. Nordic Democrat

    Nordic Democrat Well-Known Member

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    OK let's step back.....

    Take government entirely out of the picture, we are in an anarchist society now with zero government. Corporations hire people and pay them low wages, are polluting the land we live on, and not creating enough employee growth to live, etc. What happens next?
     
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    tribal warefare
     
  6. EggKiller

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    If all positions in the company are to democratically equal there is no need for management.
    Managements job is to make decisions. Voting on company issues negates the need for management.
    So would a broom pusher make as much money as upper management in this model of yours? Can the broom pushers vote to give themselves a raise?

    I have plenty of respect for my fellow workers. I just happen to understand workers who are below or above my pay grade exist and perform different functions for different pay scales.
    Glad you like the avatar.
     
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    Capitalism are big thing in USA last 140 years. The throne come from British over 160 backwood. But Hitler choose National Socialist over Capitalism but didn't won over whole Europe in end of WW2.
     
  8. Nordic Democrat

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    So you prefer tribal warfare to government regulation of what businesses can/can't do to protect employees and consumers?
     
  9. Nordic Democrat

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    Broom pushers are human beings that need shelter, food, etc. Right? Or do you value human life as what market's say they're worth?

    Right, no need for Boards of Directors or share holders, it's unnecessary. Of course there would be management positions, everyone in the cooperative still has their job and responsibilities, think about it; if some workers aren't pulling their weight, the general coop will fire them and get new workers. What will be stopped is outsourcing, environmental destruction, and CEO pay raises to insane amounts.

    In a democratic company, everyone would vote on what wages are set as, but I guarantee you the ratio will be better than it is now.

    Instead of CEO making 100 to 1 of the lowest worker, many cooperatives would vote to make it 10:1. That's fair, and prevents greed. Fairness and democracy, we don't need to fear these concepts.
     
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    So corporations should be slaves? Not free entities of expression and agents of change?

    I can't say I agree with you. And our country, as is, was not built on your idea.

    I contend that capitalism is the strongest economic engine known to man. Now do I support regulations? Yes.

    You need freedom of information
    You need same information
    You need truthful information
    You need anti-trust
    I don't support Unions

    I believe in people, that a free people can be just. Not forcibly.

    You can't force every company from leaving, ever. But you make it so it is a tough decision, or one where the logical conclusion is to stay. If you need to use tax cuts, deregulation, then you use those tools.

    I think we should strive for a more diverse economy which includes manufacturing, not only for jobs and growth, but national security. However, I realize we are knowledge economy.

    Disintegration of the middle class has been because of laissez faire trade deals with partners who are using protectionist policies. It's time for us to do the same.

    We can achieve a lot without disenfranchising business entities.
     
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    The more they whine, the bigger my smile gets
     
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    I love rednecks. One of the things that make this country great is its diversity, and the honkytonk is like America's fist.
     
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    Is the notion we're becoming isolated as a country a acceptable answer?

    Since we should not have pulled out of TPP.....
     
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    This is what a leader looks and acts like.
     
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    Because they're doing so well?
     
  16. Nordic Democrat

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    Corporations are not people, so how can they be slaves? They play by the rules of the country. A just system would NEVER allow corporations to build, then take away everything when it sees more profit overseas.

    So if you don't support unions, it's just another way of saying you don't support wage growth. FDR, our greatest president, held MASSIVE union drives because corporate greed lead to the crash of 1929, that's an absolute fact.

    I believe in people as well, democratic powerful societies. Corporations are NOT democratic, so they need to be ruled over BY a democracy. Hahahaha, please don't leave corporation! We will cut your taxes and give you whatever you want! That's a recipe for disaster, and why Trump WON'T help the average worker.

    I couldn't agree more with you on trade! Taking away NAFTA and Normalized trade with China would be taking away those corporate rights you love though, think about it.....you can't tell them where to move or what to do! Right? (Wrong, we can, and should).
     
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    Automation is not a "sky rocket" type of thing. Perhaps it will happen when the self driving car hits the market, but perhaps not.
     
  18. Nordic Democrat

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    Their GDP enriches everyone, not just the wealthy elites, so yes, they're doing better as a society. Countries aren't businesses, you know that right?

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    Fast Food and service economy workers, who will be replaced within 5-10 years as stated by Forbes and capitalists themselves, are 1/4 of the workforce. Get ready for 25% unemployment and higher if we don't confront automation.
     
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    Well they might not have the highest GDP, but they have some pretty good happiness...
     
  20. Conviction

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    I've learned that in politics you have to create exceptions but my default is private free enterprise.

    I have neo-classical economic leanings.
     
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    They're doing so much better as a society except for that little muslim immigrant rape epidemic.
     
  22. Nordic Democrat

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    That's a social issue which I agree with you on, most likely.
     
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    And what is more important?
     
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    Actually, I feel no different today as I did on 7 November or on 9 November. On 7 November I knew one of two evils would win, I just didn't know which one. On 9 November I did. But since it didn't bother which one won, Trump winning was no big thing and the only emotion I felt, was the same one I felt on 7 November. Resignation that one of two would win, resignation that one won. I am neither happy nor sad, just interested to see how Trump governs. Whether Trump will revert to his life long held political views and philosophy or whether he will retain those he changed in order to run as a Republican.

    So my interest in the Trump presidency is more than if Clinton had won, but for that one reason. Until I see if Trump can govern effectively and wisely or if he can't, I will withhold judgement. In my book, a President Trump will be better than Obama or worse. Time will tell which one. As I see it, at this time there is no need to leap for joy or to sink in the depths of depression. One will know which way to go when the time comes.
     
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    Very entertained. Obama was so boring. I didn't pay much attention at all to US news then. But now. Damn. I'm obsessed with it all.
     

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