Donald Trump anti-refugee order: 'green-card holders included in ban"

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A lawsuit was filed by 5 groups for two detained Iraqis, and they said they will be supporting other refugees who are kept from entering. Those 5 groups are heavily financed by George Soros. In August hacked documents from Soros' Open Society Institute said that his foundation pressed the Obama administration into increasing to 100,000 the total number of refugees.

    Soros' believes in open borders, but it doesn't stem from the kindness of his heart. He does it to cause disruptions in society so he can form his globalist one world government. Like the Bolsheviks, Nazis and all ideologues, human lives are dispensable. The only thing that matters to them is that they achieve their world government.



    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/...eme-stop-trumps-temporary-refugee-halt-order/
     
  2. Marcus Moon

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    It is like any other guest and host relationship. The obligation is only valid while green card holders are in the US, just as your obligations to guests in your home are only to provide what you offer, and the obligation begins when they enter and ends when they leave. A guest has no claim on more than the host offers, and no right to enter unless invited.

    The only people with a right to be in the United States are US citizens. I know it sucks for people who thought they could travel and reenter on their green cards, and again, it would be nice to refine the system, but that is not mandatory. Obviously, there are people in the US we want to keep because they are valuable to the citizenry, which is why they were given green cards, so I do think it behooves ICE and DHS to figure this out and adjust appropriately.
     
  3. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No that is not the situation at all. While they were out on business or holiday having been living there legally for say ten years you changed the rules and then interrogated them when they wanted to get back in as to their opinion on Trump and decided they can no longer come in leaving people without their workers and families without their members.

    I understand a lot of people think this will not stand up in the courts.

    It isn't really that different to Germany deciding Jews suddenly did not have the rights it previously had. The US has shown the world it currently is chaotic in it's thinking and not to be trusted while of course recognising that not all people of the US go with this. The US State Department was not even consulted. As I said it is expected the courts will have problems with this and possibly your constitution as well.
     
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    Tashfeen Malik the San Bernardino Islamist terrorist had a green card.

    After Obama's State Department vetted :roflol: Tashfeen Malik was given a visa and traveled to the USA in the name of political correctness.

    After Obama's DOJ and DHS vetted Tashfeen Malik again, :roflol: the Islamist terrorist was given a green card.

    Then Tashfeen Malik went out and murdered 12 Americans and wounded 24 more Americans.

    The Obama administration and the official DNC response, blame the NRA and guns not the Islamist jihadist.
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The EU is getting crazier and crazier. I guess old habits don't die. Schäuble the German Finance Minister threatened Britain and said that any attempt by their government to hold or attract businesses with lower taxes will not be tolerated... and not to dare charge lower interest rates.

    So what is Germany planning on doing, invading?


    [​IMG]Damn Brits!
     
  6. alexa

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    I have you on ignore but jeanette had your post. I really cannot be bother replying to your alt right propaganda. If you believe that May is free when she needs to go along with Trump and sell arms to Erdogan, then be free to think that. She needs to do that because she is giving up our main source of income which is the single market. In so doing she is moving along with the far right and dictators. While I have no doubt that you want Britain to be ruled by a dictator and believe that that would give you rights because it would fit with your desires it most certainly is not mine nor I believe that of the majority of the UK. You have already said you want to kill everyone who did not vote for Brexit so that means you want to kill me. You are an extremist. Please do not answer my posts again.
     
  7. Jeannette

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    The ACLU and five other Soros supported groups managed to get a temporary stay on the ban for the two Iraqis and anyone else stranded between airports by a Federal judge in Brooklyn.
     
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    huge victory!!!

    anyone issued a Visa by the US government should be allowed to enter the USA.

    and Trump trying to ban Permanent Residents from returning to the USA? racist and disgusting
     
  9. free man

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    They are not banned cause they come from a Muslim nation.
    They are banned cause they come from a terrorist state.
     
  10. JakeJ

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    Cancel their VISAs. Issue concluded.
     
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    It is NOTHING like Germany and Jews. Absolutely nothing.

    You never read Trump's order, did you? It states - voluminously - "consulting with the State Department." In fact, the 7 countries were not picked by Trump. They were picked by Obama's State Department.

    So, clearly, then if that is correct - and it is as you can read it yourself - President Obama was acting like Nazi Germany acted towards Jews. Aren't you GLAD that awful bigot Obama is gone?
     
  12. JakeJ

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    False. The only country Trump names in his executive order is Syria and he exempted no country. All that is just more of the endless lies by the Democratic party and the global elites propaganda MSM corporate PR outlets.

    Have you even read the order President Trump signed, or are you in agreement with the DNC's War On Truth?
     
  13. JakeJ

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    It is people with your view in the Obama administration that caused the shooting of over 100 people at the Orlando LGTB nightclub and the San Bernadino attack. Both were attacks based upon bigotries. So is it that you approve of THEIR murderous bigotries, but disapprove of "bigotry" against those two that would have prevented this?

    Although rare, there are a few people who claim that shooting over 100 people at that Orlando LGTB nightclub was a good thing, including the Iranian Cleric who told that Muslim to do it - him here on an Obama VISA. That seems by your messages to be your view of events and what "bigotries" you approve of in your messages and those that you do not in your message.

    You also seem clear that it your opinion Tashfeen Malik had a constitutional right to stay in the USA forever because he has a green card. That is your view, isn't it?

     
  14. Steady Pie

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    Perhaps you should make it clear then that permanent residency means never allowed in, its current phrase is misleading.
     
  15. JakeJ

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    It is amazing how many people absolutely will NOT read the actual executive order President Trump signed, you included. Trump's order is temporary.

    A "permanent green card" (actually they are light yellow) is good for 10 years and may be revoked by the government at any time per the federal statute. You may want to try reading about that too.

    As long as people keep reading and believing the false propaganda of the PR outlets of the super rich global elites (the "MSM") they will continue to have no clue of actual reality. Don't be lazy and only listen to MSM commentaries. Read President Trump's actually executive order. Actually explore relevant federal statutes. The only reason NOT to is because you truly do not care about the truth one iota.
     
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    Interesting interview where Giuliani talks about Trump asking him how he to present his ban on Muslims (Trump's words)

    Giuliani goes on to say he worked out the way to manage it was to present it as being against terrorism. However that does not fit with either 9/11 or the San Bernardino terrorist attack. Watch from 3.07 mins never mind the fact that most experts believe if anything this will increase the small amount the US gets. (We would have done well not to allow any American's into Britain when you were funding the IRA, eh!)

    [video=youtube;l9GKL6i38pI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9GKL6i38pI&feature=youtu.be&t=3m7s[/video]
     
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    And to think not all that long ago Hillary Clinton was out on the campaign trail promising to raise
    the amount of Syrian refugees being allowed to enter the United States a whopping 150%.
    Well that all seems to have been put to rest and changed now.
    Isn´t it a breath of fresh air to finally have a President who not only says what he means,but also
    means exactly that what he says and not simply empty rhetoric?
    In the beginning people were insinuating that Trump was a clown,but it appears to be the shoe is
    on the other foot now.
    When will people begin to take Trump seriously and take him at his word.
    When exactly?
    This is nothing more than its simply being a wake-up call.
     
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    Oi! Don't pull that crap on me, I care about the truth plenty when it suits my position.
     
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    Talk is starting in Iraq of expelling American's. Apart from that US civilians are surely going to have to pay a momentous amount of money in compensation for this. One example, an Iraqi family went through the whole process getting visas to the US which included over a year of checks of not just them and their family but also friends. Could not have been more thorough. They understood they could move to the US - left their jobs, sold their house and car and set off for the US. Their visa and the lengthy searches they went through now count for nothing. They think the Trump admin does not trust its security service which I guess may well be right. They now are with friends having lost everything. Claims for compensation will be coming in.
     
  20. APACHERAT

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    All of the 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorist were issued visas.

    18 of the visas were issued by the Clinton State Department.
    1 of the visas was issued by the Bush State Department.

    18 of the terrorist visas expired while in the USA making them illegal aliens.

    President Bush inherited Clinton's immigration policies of not enforcing our immigration laws.
     
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    Yeah, refreshingly sweet. And they're all soooooooo shocked. :)
     
  23. Durandal

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    yep. They love their anecdotal sob stories. Not too surprising, though - they tend to base legislation on emotion rather than pragmatism.
     
  24. Jim Nash

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    I would imagine the presentation of this policy is an overriding initial position which is going to be qualified down the line. Very sensible - put everything out there at the start, and tweak it as necessary over the next few months. Much more effective than starting with almost nothing and gingerly adding little bits, particularly with the press screaming blue murder every step of the way.

    - - - Updated - - -


    Unquestionable proof that Trump's got it right.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    These are people who have already been vetted to stay here and/or people who just want to pass through our territory without staying. Of course that is our decision, but is it a good idea to arbitrarily deny such people just because we can?
     

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