Russia- Kiev's Barbaric Attack On Donetsk Violates Geneva Convention

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  1. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    How this link contradicts to my words? Kiev doesn't negotiate with Donetsk and Lugansk and in Minsk 2015 Poroshenko refused to talk to the representatives of the rebels too. They, representatives, only signed the agreement developed by Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany. The situation hasn't changed so far.
     
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    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    But you killed almost all indigenous inhabitants of North America which could dispute borders with you. Besides you took away vast territories from Mexoco and of course you are sure this border is undisputed. But be sure, if someday they feel your weekness this border will stop being undisputed very soon.

    As for the borders of Ukraine, they existed intact less than 25 years... And it's not finished yet.
     
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    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    Ukrainian Nazis are inciting conflict to Russia intervene in Ukraine. After that, militant morons will squeak about Russian aggression. NATO will send more troops to the borders of Russia. Thus, NATO will increase the number of troops step by step. NATO will find any reason to pull troops to the borders of Russia. The sanction is a preliminary phase before the invasion. Awful to think about it, but it is necessary to destroy NATO before NATO dogs to invade Russia. The most environmentally friendly option is a tsunami in the Atlantic.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In North America, we had a clash of civilizations and the weaker civilization lost. It happens. It's called Darwinism. Well over 90% were lost to disease, not confrontation.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All this about the native population and how they were exterminated is a bunch of garbage. There was friction between them of course, since the Europeans were farmers, and the natives were hunters and needed a lot of land... but there was also friction between the cattle ranchers and sheep herders.

    The first people to come to N. America were the French trappers and they married the indigenous women. The European genes were dominant so their children in turn intermarried with the colonists. I knew plenty of Americans who had American 'Indian' blood and very proud of it... Winston Churchill was one of them. What the colonists did notice, was that the half breeds had immunity to survive the measles epidemics which was rampant, but the natives didn't. They all died.

    This was no different than what went on in Europe and the rest of the world. In India they found out that the first Aryan soldiers married indigenous women, and then so as to retain an element of purity established the caste system and could only marry within their class. This no doubt is what happened in Europe, and would account as to why there is differences in appearances. The conquering army would enter lands occupied by the indigenous people and marry local women. Then they would establish themselves as the nobility.

    Personally I feel for the native Indians who wanted to retain their culture and life style, but weren't fortunate enough to have oil on their land, or who haven't managed to open casinos. This victimizing them though seems to be the work of some very greedy lawyers.

    Anyway this is just my opinion.
    :oldman:
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Funny you should mention this...Russians had same attitudes towards Ukrainians..this is bull crap.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    If you recall former education minister tabachnyk wanted to get rid of all Ukrainian anywhere in schools universities etc..reason russian used in the east is stalin deported killed off how many Ukrainians as he did in Crimea! Funny you don't mention that..not up on it?
     
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    I personally believe that there are numerous reasons
    for the Ukrainian conflict.

    Firstly,and topping the list imo is because of western/
    NATO expansion to the Russian border.
    Secondly,both countries share linguistic,ethnical and
    traditional similarities.
    Thirdly,it is due to economic reasons.
    As the Ukraine,via pipeline,roughly supplies Western
    Europe with a large amount of natural gas.
    And fourthly and lastly I believe the Ukraine is neither
    fully fledged member of either the NATO alliance,or the
    EU.

    As for Russia´s annexation of Crimea,it is and always has
    been as far back as I can recall,both of Russian strategic
    value,as well as its being of precious and vital importance.
    Crimea was then and is now HQ to Russia´s Black Sea
    Fleet,which allows it access to the warm waters of the Meditteranean.
    Its military installation there,which explains its current
    presence there in defence of its long-time ally,Syria.
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  9. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure about this, but I believe Russia gave Ukraine the right to hold a referendum so it could decide on whether it wanted to separate from Russia, yet Ukraine would not give the same right to the Crimea or the Donbas area so they could decide who they want to be with... It still won't. I'm sure Washington had its finger in that.

    I love the one sidedness here. Putin was one of the few who accepted the unification of Germany when countries like France were adamantly against it... even though Russia suffered the most under Germany's aggression... And yet Germany with a lack of gratitude that shocked Vladimir Putin, was adamantly against Crimea unifying with Russia even though the historical ties are about as equally strong. I guess this is what some posters mean when they say 'Western values'. :roll:

    One German intellectual compared Germany to Carthage in its wars with Rome... He said like Carthage, Germany will not survive the third war. They have now moved their troops into Lithuania.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was more than 50 people that were killed in the Odessa fire and the aftermaths. There is someone who conducted an investigation so he could write a book, and said if you include the police killed and the protesters who survived the fire and were later killed in the hospital, it came to about 300 people.

    I'm surprised the book hasn't come out ...which makes me wonder if he is still alive. Maybe he was fortunate and escaped to Russia. People like him have no idea of the risks they are taking.
     
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    youre right..youre not sure...Russia gave the right...hahaha..can you recall in 1991 where 90% of Ukraine voted for independence..stories get better all the time Jeannette ..don't they?
     
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    lol...putin was one of few who accepted unification...uhhh I got news for you Jeannette..putin was not around when Germany was re unified..he didn't come around til late 2000 and Germany was one...he had NO choice but to accept it...why doesn't he blame his distant predecessor Gorbachev...he set the groundwork for reunification with the socalled "perestroika" and "glastnost"..
     
  13. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Ukrainians voted for independence and Russia recognized their right to do so and didn't start killing them. The people in Crimea and the Donbas wanted a separate vote to see if they wanted to remain in Ukraine after the break up of the Soviet Union, but Ukraine refused to recognize their rights, and wouldn't allow it.

    When Nuland installed the junta in Kiev, and laws were passed that were deemed fascist, the people in Crimea and Donbas protested so Poroshenko started killing them. I guess this is what you mean by; 'Western civilization'.:wall:
     
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    yet stalin was not russian he was georgian
    and pretty sure every ussr country at the time suffered from him in power including russians themself
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poroshenko is not going to last long. Pres. Trump spoke to Tymoshenko before speaking to Poroshenko, maybe to check her out as a successor. You can't trust the American sources since their information comes from Kiev, but right now the death toll of Ukrainian soldiers is unbelievable, and soon this sad news will be trickling to the people.

    The Donetsk militia was ready to entrap the Ukrainians in a cauldron again the way they did so many times before to get them to surrender, but Putin intervened and told them not to. According to the article in The Duran it's not that the soldiers aren't brave, or that they don't have the resources, but it's that Poroshenko and the Generals are incompetent. They will never allow the troops to pull back and withdraw.

    Frankly I don't think it's incompetency. I think he's killing them off deliberately. If there's no one to till the land, the large corporations like Monsanto will be able to buy it up at a low price.


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hammered-avdeevka-trump-meets-tymoshenko/
     
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    Lol..replace poroshenko with Timoshenko..right one oligarch with another..remember Timoshenko wanted to fry the Russians just as much.. remember if dwarfistan wasn't supplying the russian terrorists with money and equipment the uke army would slaughter them and rightly so....the savage deserves as much..
     
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    Poroshenko’s MP mucks German Embassy with paint, accusing it of complicity with Kremlin

    Wednesday, February 8, 2017 - 16:54
    The Verkhovna Rada Deputy from the Petro Poroshenko Bloc Alexey Goncharenko held a protest at the German Embassy in Ukraine.

    “This morning, on a fragment of the Berlin Wall near the Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany in Kiev I wrote the word "NEIN" (no). I devoted my symbolic protest action to yesterday's pro-Kremlin statements of the German Ambassador to Ukraine Ernst Reichel. In his statement the Ambassador said that he saw no obstacles for elections being held in the ATO zone under Russian occupation. The words of the German Ambassador to Ukraine fully reproduce the agenda of the Russian propaganda, which is aimed at legalization of terrorists by placing them in the Ukrainian government. Such statements are not only offensive to the Ukrainians and play into the hands of the Kremlin, but also contradict the Minsk Agreements and the position of German Chancellor Angela Merkel,” reported Goncharenko on his page in Facebook."

    https://dninews.com/article/poroshe...-embassy-paint-accusing-it-complicity-kremlin
     
  18. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tymoshenko and Poroshenko are peanuts, Oleg Lyashko is the real guy for Ukraine, I mean he has a great resume. I don't know why Trump revoked his visa:

    Oleg Lyashko has recorded a video of the brutal handing of his captive, the anti-government 'separatist,' for which he has earned strong support among the radical elements of Ukrainian voters.

    In March, 2014, Oleg Lyashko kidnapped Arsen Klinchaev, Lugansk deputy from the Party of Regions. While bragging about the kidnapping on his Facebook, Lyashko described Klinchaev as a leader of Lugansk separatists.

    Lyashko threatened his (Klinchaev's) family, promised to hang him for flying Russian banners and upon release promised he will shoot him next time.

    Lyashko has advocated for capital punishment for any 'traitors of Ukraine'. He was one of the lobbyists advocating for the creation of Azov battalion. He took credit for the bloody attack on Mariupol in May 2014.

    Lyashko is wanted in Russia for the kidnapping and torture of Mariupol resident Dmitry Chaikovsky.

    Oleg Lyashko was sentenced to 6 years behind bars for embezzlement of state property. He served one year.

    In 2012 a 16-year old boy accused Lyashko of rape. In 2012 Lyashko was prevented from taking 12 and 14 year old boys from Crimean orphanage to Turkey, which resulted in a pedophile scandal.

    In 2014 Lyashko ran for president of Ukraine.

     
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    Yeah ... these evil Ukrainian Nazi bastards as usual are doing worst things and even if they tell that 1+1=2, it is an evil Anti-Russian issue!

    One tip Jeannette, before you post such propaganda nonsense again: make an investigation about the topic too ... and here a detail tip for you:

    Read the Geneva Convention please in matter for whom and against whom and so on they are valid ... as well what comparable cases on neutral view have shown in history.

    Cheers ...
     

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