Who won the Health Care Debate on CNN?

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  1. apers3312

    apers3312 Active Member

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    As I was glued to CNN's fake news channel to watch a debate that never happened between Sanders and Cruz, :smile:, I came to the following conclusion.

    I don't think either of them won over the other here.

    The two approaches are very different and both equally implementable.

    However, one cannot fit into the other's shoes and Americans have to take on either a community approach or a nucleus approach.

    NUCLEUS MENTALITY
    The republicans are trying to row back to the old system of insurance coverage. Where healthy people pay $400-$1500 per year in health insurance. But I believe, if they are smart, they are implementing a car insurance policy. Whereby if you get into an accident the insurance company pays out a loan to fix your car and your individual premiums go UP to pay for it over time.

    Same goes here. you get into an ailment... copy and paste above statement... This is a great way to approach it to not penalize people who have done all they can to stay healthy.


    COMMUNITY MENTALITY
    Dems are proposing the opposite, a community pool of funds which everyone pays equally to, percentage wise, so that everyone is equally covered ((including NO preferential treatment over poor people. I think this is what people have a problem with really. Yes I just said it.)).

    That is why people who are healthy are seeing their premiums go up. The method the democrats are taking is helping the general population get used to paying forward and eventually roll out, seamlessly, universal health care.

    I have been in universal health care and I guarantee, if you get hit by a bus you will get immediate care. Also, the government implements programs to ensure people live healthy lives rather than gorging on simulated chicken nuggets, to reduce the burden on the system. That is holistic savings, one which you don't see but exists.


    Reminder to all. Rise in Premiums. People are forgetting that drug prices have been skyrocketing for decades as pharmaceutical companies put more money in the pockets of politicians. Health insurance premiums have also been climbing steadily way before Obama took office.
     
  2. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    In what imaginary universe did anyone ever pay between $400 and $1500 a year for health insurance?????????

    Certainly not in the United States!
     
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    I'm glad you pick up on that.
     
  4. WertyFArmer

    WertyFArmer Well-Known Member

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    When I first got out of College, 19 years ago, my heath insurance was $46/pay check. So under $1,200 a year. Now I pay more than $1,200 a month
     
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    Damn I pay 130 a check for 260 a month. Covers Medical, Dental and Vision. 1,200 a month is 14,400 a year, that's to much and basically yearly a minimum wage salary for a full timer. Is that for a family?>
     
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    Costs in America are generally going to rise over time for the simple reason we drive inflation of the dollar over time. I have never had my rates go down unless I want a bad premium, if I keep the premium the rates will creep up every year. Be it auto, health, or home I have never had them decrease significantly especially if you have to use them.
     
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    WertyFArmer Well-Known Member

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    Yep family coverage, "Bronze Plan"
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    19 yeas ago... lol, republicans are not gonna be able to force ins corps to lower their rates that much

    will republicans force healthy Americans to buy insurance they do not need?
     
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    Did Ted Cruz mention the VA hospital system to Bernie Sanders as an example of government managed health care in the U.S.?

    He should have, if not.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    Those numbers suggest that you are far from paying the entire cost of the insurance either.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    In the US, thanks to the carefully insulated oligopoly of insurarance companies, hospitals and various hangers on (of which there are a lot in American health care) inflation runs substantially faster than the normal rate of inflation. This has been true, by and large, for most fo the last 20 years.

    This what has driven health care costs to nearly 20% of GDP, twice as much azs any first world country pays.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no one wants that, what we want is government handled health insurance

    we want CongressCare, make them eat their own dog food

    if Congress and their families had to use the same thing... they would fix what needs fixing

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    WertyFArmer Well-Known Member

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    I never said they should. But using the average rate of inflation over the last 20 years (3.22%) my insurance should cost me closer to $90/pay check instead of a little over $600/pay check........

    Even if you allow health care inflation to be twice the average rate, it would be around $160/check.

    If I did the math right...
     

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