Most Europeans want to STOP migration from Muslim countries, study finds

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  1. Talon

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    Shocking video, bob. I was particularly struck by this line:

    "Here in Sweden everything is considered racist."

    We have a similar problem here in America, and when "progressives" bleat "Racist!" they're really saying

    [video=youtube;lWHgUE9AD4s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s[/video]
     
  2. Jonsa

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    I think that stopping migrants - aka illegal immigrants, economic refugees etc. is perfectly reasonable. After all Its all just "illegal immigration", only the Euro version is of decidely muslim flavor.
    I can't imagine what kind of insane asylum America would be if all those hispanic illegals were Muslims as well.
     
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    As a Spanish guy, I have doubts about this study. I would say that the population they interviewed is skewed. I have spoken about politics with anarchists, communists, social Democrats, liberals, socialists, ... I have even attended fascist circles. Nobody ever suggested this madness.

    Spain has a reasonable number of Muslims (was around 8%), some Muslim immigration, and basically few problems. Immigration is needed in Spain. The population descent has already started and the economical consequences are dire.
     
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    Europeans should be dissatisfied with their failed immigration system.

    Instead of basing your immigration system on pluralism, where immigrants are expected to integrate and assimilate into their host societies, European countries based their immigration system on "multiculturalism", which is merely a fancy "progressive" euphemism for tribalism. Naturally, the tribalization of European societies and the attending clash of cultures and values has produced social fragmentation and disharmony, which in turn has led to the anti-social violence we see across the continent.

    Mindlessly allowing millions of refugees and immigrants to flood into Europe is only part of the problem, and one of the ways to put an end to the "multiculturalism" that has failed your societies is to stop speaking in "progressive" euphemisms. Call "multiculturalism" what it is - tribalism. To paraphrase George Orwell, sloppy language leads to sloppy thinking.
     
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    It was easy to be a Socialist in Sweden at one time because they were all of one culture and there was a common support for each other. And whenever Socialists from the US or Canada wanted an example of Socialism working well they always pointed to a Scandinavian country. But being a single White culture with a strong work ethic and sense of responsibility, makes a lot of difference, whether we like to say it out loud or not. That\s why the Swedish version of Socialism would never work in some countries, just as it's failing now in Sweden when another strong, or sponger, culture is introduced.

    Like most Europeans you'll criticize or mock the US and its leaders (Bush Baby) because you're safe to do so. But I doubt you'd refer to Swedish Muslims, or their leaders, in the same manner even if it were legal to do so. You know your life would be in as great a danger as that of Lars Vilks. That's why, I repeat, the democracies should have held together recognizing their common interests rather than their differences. Now you're left with a situation where it's only Americans you're allowed to criticize, thereby making these criticisms emptier than ever. http://explorersfoundation.org/archive/anglosphere_primer.pdf
     
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    Inviting a strong uni-culture religious/political group into a single society was doomed to fail, but ideology trumped reality. Anyone who objected was 'racist', 'fascist' 'Islamophobic', or all of the above. Now the people are forced to accept a reality only those few saw coming.
     
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    Even if these European nations wise up and elect right wing governments that close their borders and accept no more immigrants, it's still suicide, and these governments will claim that they saved their countries, but nothing could be further from the truth. In order to fix the situation, you must deport all the Muslims from Europe; they are ticking time bombs who will multiply quicker than rats. And 20 years down the line they will be in the same situation.
     
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    The root cause of the problem is within mosques across Europe. Someone must be held accountable for allowing this madness. Letting them building mosques all over Europe in which they preach hatred against indigenous population. Beggars belief. Sheer madness. Outright treason.

    Dispatches Channel4:

    Undercover Mosque: The Return

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/undercover+mosque+the+return/2436087.html

    A year-and-a-half after the critically acclaimed film Undercover Mosque was first screened, Dispatches goes undercover again to see whether extremist beliefs continue to be promoted in certain key British Muslim institutions. The film also investigates the role of the Saudi Arabian religious establishment in spreading a hard-line, fundamentalist Islamic ideology in the UK - the very ideology the Government claims to be tackling.

    A female reporter attends prayer meetings at an important British mosque which claims to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. She secretly films shocking sermons given to the women-only congregation in which female preachers recite extremist and intolerant beliefs. As hundreds of women and some children come to pray, a preacher calls for adulterers, homosexuals, women who act like men and Muslim converts to other faiths to be killed, saying: "Kill him, kill him. You have to kill him, you understand. This is Islam."

    Worshippers are repeatedly told they must lead separate lives from non-believers and not tolerate other religions. Christian teachings are described as "vile and disgusting, an abomination." And at private, invite-only prayer meetings linked to the mosque, the reporter films the leading preacher from the women's prayer circle issuing strict dictats on women's personal freedoms - decreeing they must not travel far without a male member of the family to escort them, and instructing them not to integrate with British society or work in a non-Islamic environment.

    In the same mosque, the reporter visits the bookshop and discovers books and DVDs still on sale, promoting extremist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic and intolerant messages. Unbelievers ('kuffaars') are described in one DVD as: "Evil, wicked, mischievous people - you can see the evil in their face". Whilst Jews, "have abominated, filthy, disgusting gross belief - their time will come like every other evil person's time will come." Moderate Muslims and Islamic academics tell Dispatches they reject and condemn these teachings. Dispatches traces the links between the teachings and materials at the mosque and the Saudi Arabian religious establishment, and examines the extent to which Saudi Arabia exports such teachings around the world through the funding of literature, schools, mosques and other organisations.

    Dispatches also interviews a former teacher at a Saudi-run faith school who describes how the official Saudi educational curriculum was taught in the school. He shows Dispatches official Saudi textbooks from the school which featured anti-Semitic and anti-Christian teachings.

    As part of the investigation, the undercover reporter also films inside a key Saudi-funded Muslim organisation which claims to promote tolerance and integration yet distributes literature which promotes intolerance for non-Muslims, an extreme version of Sharia law and teachings which support discrimination against women.

    The Government claims Saudi Arabia is its partner in tackling extremism, but a former Foreign Office Minister tells Dispatches he believes the Government should take a stronger line. The film also features interviews with Islamic academics who condemn these messages of intolerance and segregation and warn of the impact this version of Islam is having on British society. One imam at a leading university accuses the Saudi religious establishment of the: "distortion of Islam itself, the abuse and misuse of this great faith of mine and not only mine but of my children as well."
     
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    Ahh, righto.

    Both are useful figures. The OP linked to the complete figures, and a second post had the figures with undecided respondents removed. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Partly true, partly not.
     
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    That diatribe was totally uncalled for, and I am now going to put you on my ignore list.
     
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    You've got to love Orban's sense of humor. Not far from the truth though.

    Hungary’s Orban renews attack on influence of George Soros

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/hungarys-orban-repeats-attack-influence-george-soros-161629297.html


    Orban also painted a bleak picture of Western Europe, saying its “future is casting a long and dark shadow on its present.”

    He joked that Hungary was ready to take in Western Europeans, whom he said are suffering from globalization’s effects.

    “Naturally, we will take in the real refugees,” Orban said to laughter and loud applause. “The panicked German, Dutch, French and Italian politicians and journalists, Christians forced to leave their countries who want to find here the Europe they lost at home.”...
     
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    Which was 'partly not'? The part where your beliefs were called into question?
     
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    I meant no harm at all (I even said so) but If that's what works best for you ......
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    No. It was the part that we originally agreed upon. The part that we disagreed on remains unchanged.
     
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    Putting an even sharper edge on blade:

    [video=youtube;O9Qwr6KvmUc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Qwr6KvmUc[/video]
     
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    Brilliant!
     
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    Swedish policeman wrote that the crimes committed by migrants sometimes reach 100% of all crimes in the city! https://www.facebook.com/peter.springare?fref=nf

    rape, robbery, burglary, rape, extortion, blackmail, assault, violence against police, the threat to the police, drugs, attempted murder, rape, again and again, extortion and ill-treatment.
    Suspects: Ali, Mohammed, Mahmoud, Mohammed, Mohammed, Ali, Mahmoud ...
     
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    For example - It looks like Sweden because of tolerant idiots.

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    Now, to save humanity, only for word "tolerance" it is necessary to shoot. Enough hypocrisy.
     
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    Not in a European population of over 700 million it isn't. It's an insignificant number.

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    Like everyone else you don't have an argument for!:roflol:
     
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    I'm not sure how representative these numbers are but they seem very worrying. Anti-Muslim racism is really on the rise right now and Nazis are truly benefitting from that.
     
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    But that's how statistics works. With 10000 out of a population of 700,000,000 you can be 95% confident that your result is accurate to +/-1%. So I assume you have a reason for thinking that the sample was not representative of the whole?
     
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    Once again you confuse migrants with immigrants. Legal immigration is an economic necessity. Your characterization of the entire muslim religion based on the small fraction that are admittedly murderous psychopathic sexually perverse bullying ignorant scumbag APOSTATES is nothing short of demonization by fallacy. ISIS isn't Islamic. It is murdering tens of thousands of muslims and committing all kinds of heinous crimes under the banner of Jihad. But no matter what "religious justification" their nutbag "religious" leaders might try to use, according to Allah and the prophet, murdering other muslims cancels one's passport to paradise. So, these guys cloak themselves in this perverse false piety and claim "jihad" in the name of Islam to justify their criminal batcrap. A claim that ranks up there with the best of North Korea on the absurdity scale.
     
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    I just don't know what to say by your asinine claim, I mean are the members of ISIS Mormon missionaries? Are they Christian crusaders? :smile:

    Look, any immigration ought to be about enriching a country/making it better, not about lessening the economic or social strain of 3rd world nations! If the immigrants truly had decent intentions, why don't they work to make their countries better?
     
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    alas poor nuance, they know you not.


    Yeah, I mean why should the weary, downtrodden, oppressed, impoverished and displaced people of the world believe in all that generational AMERICAN global PR about land of opportunity, home of the brave, land of the free and coca cola.
     

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