Here is the proof Trump is a co-conspirator

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    These would be the Magic Mexicans that "common sense" says are streaming over the border only to disappear?
     
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    Here's more:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-this-trumps-watergate-1487203208
    OPINION COLUMNISTS WONDER LAND
    Is This Trump’s Watergate?
    Unless Team Trump gets back to the basics of the 2016 election, 1974 could return.
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    Opinion Journal Video: Wonder Land Columnist Dan Henninger on the fallout from the Trump administration's scandals. Photo credit: Zuma Press.

    By DANIEL HENNINGER
    Updated Feb. 16, 2017 10:03 a.m. ET
    1685 COMMENTS
    A president’s blood is in the water and another White House staff can only look out the windows as the sharks arrive from miles off.

    Dan Rather, who normally toils at explaining away his George W. Bush National Guard story for CBS years ago, swam toward the Trump White House Tuesday to posit that “Watergate is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, until maybe now.”

    Like-minded trolls in the social-media village sent Mr. Rather’s Facebook post viral. The Watergate “meme” that attached itself instantly to Mike Flynn’s firing over his conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak was: What did President Trump know, and when did he know it?

    We are far from Watergate levels of threat to the Trump presidency. The Democrats are in the congressional minority, and however much they intone the I-word, there will be no Sam Ervin committee.

    Impeachment, though, is not the goal of Donald Trump’s opponents. They want to cut off his power—his hold on much of the American public. To do that, they need to make him look like a loser.

    On Monday, the president lost Mike Flynn. On Wednesday, he lost Andy Puzder, his labor nominee. Both fell in large part because of an understaffed and dangerously diffused White House management structure. The Trump opposition—Democrats, unions, Never Trumpers—now know that if they can turn three Republican senators against him, he won’t matter.

    They may succeed unless Team Trump can reverse the tides starting to erode the foundations of the president’s political support.

    Let’s talk about the swamp.

    If we have learned anything about the Trump presidency, it is that Mr. Trump and his chief political strategist, Steve Bannon, despise the Washington swamp, which includes the city’s lobbyists, all of its bureaucrats, every member of the media, the entire congressional delegation and their staffs.

    At the moment, that would cover most of the forces arrayed against them, and a good question is whether they’ll drain the swamp before the swamp swallows them.

    Messrs. Trump and Bannon should give an older member of the Washington establishment a temporary Oval Office visa to talk about what it was like during Watergate. Mr. Trump surely recalls the giddy frenzy of waking each day during Watergate to see what new anti-Nixon bombshell was on the morning newspaper’s front page.

    What happened to Richard Nixon an eon ago looks familiar: Donald Trump’s presidency is getting bitten to death by an invisible, lethal ant hill of anonymous leakers.

    Mr. Trump himself outputted this reality in remarks to the press Wednesday: “From intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked, it’s criminal action, criminal act, and it’s been going on for a long time.” It sure has. Ask George Washington.


    Back in the days of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the primary unidentified source was known as Deep Throat. Now, when the bar for anonymity is about an inch high, the locutions of invisibility are more elegant. A favorite: “requested anonymity to speak candidly.”

    As always, it works. You could have spent all Wednesday reading grimly exhilarating stories based on almost no names, such as the Washington Post piece about the White House triumvirate of Mr. Trump, Mr. Bannon and Reince Priebus keeping Mike Pence out of the loop after they’d been told Jan. 26 by the Justice Department of Mr. Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. Mr. Pence had gone on Sunday morning television earlier to defend Mr. Flynn.

    Whether the Pence wedge between him and the inner circle (as of this week) is true hardly matters. Life in the capital wouldn’t be much fun without believing such things. Washington’s most powerful force is . . . the whisper.

    Trumpians can launch a million outraged emails and tweets against all this incoming, but the blunt reality is, So what? If you aren’t winning in Washington, you are losing. Nobody has changed the rules of that game yet.

    For the first two weeks, Team Trump was winning. The executive orders unwinding the Obama regulatory apparatus had Democrats gagging in astonishment. Having abandoned any arguments based on policy, the Democrats sank to the level of senior members like Sen. Elizabeth Warren exchanging views on TV with comedians. Comedians are now the Democratic Party’s brain trust.

    Then the White House overplayed its strong hand with the rushed-out immigration order. The political fires lit by that then consumed a vulnerable Mike Flynn and are now roaring toward the Oval Office. Unfair? Criminal? Maybe, and maybe the historians will sort it all out someday as solace.

    Forgotten now is that Nixon didn’t resign because of anything proven by the anonymous torrent, but only after he saw he’d lost the support of his own party in Congress. We’re not there, yet.

    Mr. Trump is in the White House because voters wanted two things, in this order: 1) change; 2) Donald Trump.

    That’s the basics. Get it straight, or 1974 could return.

    Write henninger@wsj.com.
     
  3. Eyeswideopen1989

    Eyeswideopen1989 Banned

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    They don't dissapear
     
  4. ChiefSeattle

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    Try again. This a non-existent counter argument that says or proves nothing.
    Again, non-existent counter argument. You have proven just how weak you are without so much as even coming close to addressing the facts behind Trumps tweet. This is truly pitiful.
    :roflol: You know, I am just so embarrassed for you. You couldn't touch my argument and the facts I presented with a ten foot poll. All you can do is cowardly drift off in space and talk about elections.:roflol: Like Trump winning an election has helped the Republican party? :roflol: I really do feel so sorry for you folks. You people just don't have a clue, and have no interest in knowing of one.
     
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    No they don't. They thankfully show up in these giant fields picking fruits and vegetables that we eat, that would otherwise rot in those fields.
     
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    Please tell me you didn't just post what I thought you just posted? :roflol: Folks, this is priceless.
     
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    Well, those who count them certainly disagree with you on that.

    They hear the reports that the Magic Mexicans stream across the border, but then must become totally undetectable, because there isn't any increase in the count of those who are here.

    AND, there hasn't been since 2008, when they stopped coming, because we had no jobs - the Bush immigration solution!?


    Now, Trump says he's dumping $15 Billion more into this problem when we already spend about $10 Billion per year on the Mexican border.

    More magic!
     
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    That's what you call a grade A Trump supporter right there. Facts are irrelevant and lies don't matter. And these are the types who brought Hitler to power.
     
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    Facts show you to be incorrect. Wanna guess on how many estimated we have here? Millions. And they live freely in sanctuary cities.

    Lolol
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    What you're missing is that the number here without documentation hasn't grown since 2008.


    And, that is the VERY BEST a wall could possibly do.

    Yet, we're going to dump double digit Billions more tax dollars into in.


    What I have NEVER seen is a justification for this $15Billion dollar expenditure.

    And, by justification I mean an actual justification - not some hand wave with no numbers associated.
     
  11. ChiefSeattle

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    There is so, so, much information, and by the way, pretty easy access to this information as well, that implicates Trump in more ways than we can keep up with. You are exactly right.

    But in the meantime, I'm going to keep pedaling this one little small tid bit of information, because no Trump supporter has yet to mount a challenge or explain away Trump's tweet, that clears him from violating the Logan Act.

    Judging from your post, and thanks to this mountain of information you have already compiled, you look like you have matters well in hand. Proceed on, and I look forward to learning more as Trump supporters try and ignore these mountains of scandals they voted for.
     
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    Proof to you, conjecture to me.
     
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    If we get rid of the illegaks, they will try to come back. A wall will help the border patrol prevent this immensely.

    There. Justification.
     
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    Lmfao. The amount of reaching here is astounding
     
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    That is NOT a justification. A justification has to have actual dollar benefits, estimated success, etc.
     
  16. ChiefSeattle

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    Except for one thing; your diversion with this claim of yours has nothing to do with mine. Trying to divert this conversation to apples, while mine is about oranges, just helps my argument even more. My claim says nothing about Flynn talking about "the incoming administration doing things differently". Cute diversion, but this imaginary scenario you invented will never work. You obviously know what my claim is, and you have no counter argument for that claim, which is why you created this scenario we were not talking about.
     
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    Objectively incorrect.

    It's absolutely a justification. Getting rid of illegals who suck our tax dollars is also a benefit. For someone who is so emotionally vested in this topic you should do research.
     
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    Why do we want them to leave? They pick all our vegetables and fruits that no one else picks.
     
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    We only want the illegals to leave. Because we want legal, vetted immigration. Because right now they make it harder for some contractors to get contracts, take tax payer money without giving back, etc etc.
     
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    Ooh a counter punch, with no punch, dude your claim is that he can't legally speak to the Russian Ambassador. This is patently absurd.
     
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    When you pull another possibility out of your hat, please get back with me will you?

    And a little food for thought, when or if you get back, can you tell us all how Trump knew about Putin delaying action against Obama's newest sanctions when Trump bragged and congratulated Putin for that "delay"? Who do you think told him?
     
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    Nope, wrong again as usual. You still keep twisting the message because you are incapable of engaging me one on one with the truth I laid out. I never said it was illegal to talk to the Russian ambassador. I said it was illegal to talk about Obama's sanctions, which is exactly what Flynn did, while telling Trump, and Trump tweeted a congratulations to Putin on the "delay". This violates the Logan Act.
     
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    No it doesn't and more than a few jurist have said that Logan should it ever be challenged would likely be found unconstitutional. And in the case of a nominee for a post in a new administration, to yield that administrations take on actions by the previous administration in regard that ambassadors country is almost certainly a common occurence in all of American History.
     
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    That's mostly who we have picking fruits and vegetables now. You kick them out, and our food supply is going to be in short supply.

    Not to mention, if being Illegal were really a problem with the U.S. we would have long ago fined and locked up the enablers. The illegals will leave on their own if we had done that. But we didn't. Proving that the problem with illegals is just a manufactured problem.

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    That's mostly who we have picking fruits and vegetables now. You kick them out, and our food supply is going to be in short supply.

    Not to mention, if being Illegal were really a problem with the U.S. we would have long ago fined and locked up the enablers. The illegals will leave on their own if we had done that. But we didn't. Proving that the problem with illegals is just a manufactured problem blaming the wrong folks.

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    That's mostly who we have picking fruits and vegetables now. You kick them out, and our food supply is going to be in short supply.

    Not to mention, if being Illegal were really a problem with the U.S. we would have long ago fined and locked up the enablers. The illegals will leave on their own if we had done that. But we didn't. Proving that the problem with illegals is just a manufactured problem blaming the wrong folks.
     
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    Don't be embarrassed for anyone but yourself, the lefts "Trump Tantrum" is truly embarrassing as Hillary losing the election when ya'all were certain she was a lock to win. Be very embarrassed about that.
     

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