Who is the Beast in The Book of Revelations?

This is more lunacy - what does flying around the earth in an airplane (the example given ) have to do with driving a car around the block ?

Only lunatic scientists do not. No proof of satellites ?????? are you for real ?? How is it that you think your cell phone works ? Holy shmoly this nonsensical. Go outside and look at the sky - you can see satellites moving rapidly across the sky ... what is it that you think these are... Aliens ?

How do you think "Satellite TV" works ? How do you think GPS (Global Positioning Satellite) works ?

This is completely false. Where is your proof for this nonsense claim.

 

??? Water is not evidence of a flood covering all the earth... there is not enough water to cover the whole earth - otherwise it would cover the whole earth.

The evidence is that there was local flooding (as one would expect when the ice caps melted after the last ice age). The "Evidence" shows that there was no global flood 6000 years ago. If this were the case there would be a flood layer all over the earth and this simply does not exist.

The idea that the earth is only 6000 years old is also nonsense. The ice cores go back in excess of 500,000 years.

That Noah's ark landed roughly 2100-2300 BC is also patent nonsense. We have continuous civilizations throughout that period in China, Egypt, Europe, North America, Australia North and South America.

This has nothing to do with "God" and everything to do with reality. The writers of the Bible were using allegory - Stories to teach a lesson.

Genesis is based on Sumerian and Near East creation myth.

How is it that Noah and 3 son's managed to round up 2 polar bears from the North, 2 Kangaroo's from Australia and 2 spectacled bears from South America and 2 Panda's from China ? Then ... how did these animals get back ?

It would take years for Noah to get kangaroo's from Australia (assuming this could be done to begin with). Simple math tells you that after the first 20 or so species were collected, so much time has elapsed that the first one's collected are old and dying. It is simply impossible to round up the thousands that would have needed to be collected - even if Noah were immortal he would still be rounding them up.

Who is taking care of these animals while Noah and Sons are away for hundreds of years doing the collecting ?

 

Because it is too hot for liquid water to exist- (1 degree F per 70 feet). It's called the Geothermal Gradient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient

or do you not believe in this either ?

 

Is there any other kind?

 

Two other kinds. Solid and gas depending on the temperature. Water 8 miles under the earths surface would be a gas which would explode out any fissure. (it could be liquid under intense pressure at high temp but ... finding a fissure it would explode in gaseous form)

Regardless - the hypothesis that water under the earth could have "welled up" flooding then entire earth and then went back underground is absurd.

The water could not recede to 8 miles below the surface as it is too bloody hot.

 

I with a refutation of your "flat earth" belief that even someone who does not believe that satellites exist can not deny.

If the earth is not round, how is it that it is day in one part of the world and night in another at the same time ?

Good luck with that one

 

You mean ice?

That wouldn't gas, it would be steam.

 

What do you mean couple thousand years, that was Jesus time. The flood was more like 5,000 years ago. Which is a very long time.

 

The Beast of Revelation symbolizes secular Western civilization. The receiving of the mark for buying and selling is indicative of the consumerist and materialist nature of pagan and secular Western civilization, also synonymous with Gog and Magog. The false prophet of the Beast, or the antichrist, is the religious system of Western civilization, namely, modern Christianity and the Roman Catholic Church in particular. This is of course in keeping with the theme of ancient Biblical apocalyptic thinking and theology. The Book of Daniel was written in the context of the menace of Hellenization to the Jews. The Beast there referred to the Hellenists, or Western civilization, and Antiochus Epiphanes. There is a cosmic struggle between the Hebraic view of the world and the Hellenic world. The Hebraic view of the world is focused on worshiping God and following His Laws. The Hellenic view of the world is secular and materialistic. The theme of apocalyptic writings is the Hebraic yearning for deliverance from the power of the mighty Hellenic civilization and desire to be cleansed from the taint of Hellenism and a return to Hebraic purity.

This is best illustrated in the present struggle between the Islamic world with its deep attachment to religion, resisting the mighty power of the secular and materialist Western world.

 

Actually that's rather simple.

The sun is much closer and smaller than what is said to be. As it moves across the circle of the earth, it provides light and heat locally. It would be like shining a flashlight directly on the ground, yet on a grander scale. The heat and light moves with it of course. So while it is above America it is dark in China. Your thinking of the sun as if it is the same size within the heliocentric model. There are a few flat earth models so far, as of now the flat earthers are more concerned with calling out the fraud, lies, and deceptions that so far seems to have taken place.

Go to the 47 second mark of this video, look at the photos compare the size of the land masses, the colors of the ocean and find other atrocities within these composite pictures or computer generated images (CGI). After that go to the 1:00 minute mark, and you can see a flat earth model that still needs work, but it will at the least give you an idea of what is being proposed.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=457415&page=61&p=1067131532#post1067131532

Now some people are saying they are sick of flat earthers claiming that images of earth and other celestial bodies are nothing more than CGI. However NASA themselves are the ones admitting this. Research Robert Simmons (NASA he is in charge of the blue marble) and admits that not only are they CGI, but that they have to be.

 

Under ocean cables is what connects the world. Not satellites as you claim. A cell phone, television, gps, all works from land based towers and under ocean cables. One does not get the internet without a Ethernet cable. Having all these has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

 

Hahahaha.. Satellites are used for all manner of communication world wide. The Ethernet cable is just a local connectivity device.. Have you heard of google earth? GPS?

You can get US television in the Middle East via satellites NOT undersea cables. Sheesh.

 

The evidence is quite clear...jrr777 just makes things up. I give him a solid "B" for creativity and a solid "F" for content.

 

I don't know.. Either the flat earthers have NO education or perhaps are mentally slow.

 

I don't understand it either. They could be like you say or have a need for attention, trolling, POE. It doesn't really matter why they do such things. It's their problem.

 

Obviously you replied without researching the matter. For you have no idea what your talking about. This is done with internet cables under the ocean from America to the middle east. They did this clear back in the 1850's with phone lines. No different with internet, pretty much is a phone line. Did you even know when the first under sea cables was laid?

A transatlantic telegraph cable is an undersea cable running under the Atlantic Ocean used for telegraph communications. The first was laid across the floor of the Atlantic from Telegraph Field, Foilhommerum Bay, Valentia Island in western Ireland to Heart's Content in eastern Newfoundland. The first communications occurred August 16, 1858, reducing the communication time between North America and Europe from ten days – the time it took to deliver a message by ship – to a much shorter time. Transatlantic telegraph cables have been replaced by transatlantic telecommunications cables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_telegraph_cable

Long before any satellites we had communications, proven satellites are not required whatsoever.

 

Oh of course.. In the 1950s it was undersea cables.. teletype.. but since satellite you can direct dial almost anywhere in the world or Skype to China or KSA. Don't you even remember watching Sputnik track across the sky?

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Still not enough to lay 8 miles of sedimentary layers.

 

Says who, you? Let me guess something like that to you would take billions of years, or would you say millions. Either way there is no factual evidence of the time in which such an action would need to take place. For in 40 days and 40 nights the entire face of the earth changed.

 

But you are claiming that 8 miles of sedimentary layers have been laid down AFTER the flood. We known rates of sedimentation around the globe. It is impossible for 8 miles of layers to be laid down in only a few thousand years.

 

No it didn't.. It didn't change Jericho or Gobekli tepe or the Pyramids.. It didn't change the Alps or the Rockies or the Great Smokey Mountains.

 

My lack of education is actually a lack of indoctrination. Don't get me wrong I used to be in the same boat as you. The heliocentric model given unto me was accepted by me simply because it did nothing to prove God does not exist. Thus I accepted it, and merely put God as snapping His fingers for the big bang. I still believed in God when I thought earth to be a sphere.

Now, it is in my mind that the heliocentric model would prove God wrong. For God says that the earth is established it cannot be moved. The heliocentric model says all it does is move (our God given senses tells us the earth is motionless). He also tells us that the firmament is strong and as a molten looking glass. And where His throne is........is upon a sea of glass. The earth is His footstool. I am yet to see a footstool that is a sphere. Upon His throne he can see the entire earth, yet thick clouds veil Him to where He seeth not. So as long as there is no thick clouds anywhere He can see the entire earth. How is that possible on a ball, He cannot see through the earth if thick clouds veil Him. And when Jesus comes all will see Him in the clouds coming with great glory and power, even those who pierced Him. God made two great lights, the greater to rule the day, and the lesser to rule the night, He made the stars also. And He placed them in the firmament, again which is strong and as a molten looking glass. Thus if man landed on the moon, would that not prove all this to be wrong? For He set the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament, which divides the waters under the firmament from the waters above the firmament. Thus there is water up there, and I'm willing to bet they already know this.

 

I was unaware you was around before the flood.

So the men who wrote the Bible lie, but the men who tell you all this was around before the flood, well that's the truth. Sounds like cognitive dissonance, you only accept that because it fits your narrative. And if you say the same about me I do understand that. I get my information from the Bible, and you get yours from man, specifically man that does not believe in God.

So if we are both delving into cognitive dissonance, then neither side can be factual proven as to without a doubt. Merely leaving us both with our individual beliefs or faiths. Your strong evidence as to we are living on a ball, does indeed have strong evidence. But zero actual and factual proof. That would require seeing the earth in it's entirety, without any pictures or videos that have been altered or manipulated in any way. Same thing as in the court of law, a picture is only evidence if it is proven to be un-manipulated, or tampered with in any way. Your cartoon pictures of earth........ are exactly that.

 

According to the Bible the earth is 4777 years old since Adam and Eve.. so the flood happened after creation, but Gobekli is 11,000 years old as is Jericho and the stone granaries near the Dead Sea.

So who witnessed this global flood and where did they stand to observe it?

The Jews knew it was not a global flood, but a local one.. as it says in scripture.

 

I can tell you right now your wrong, however I would like to know how you come up with 4,777 years. And where in scripture does it say it was a local flood? For the mountain tops were covered.

KJB-
Genesis 7:17
17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 24And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

If the mountain tops were not covered, they would of ran into them. For the ark to clear them the water had to at least be 15 cubits above the mountains/hills. The word prevail here is to overcome, thus the waters overcame the highest mountains by 15 cubits. And the ark was safe to pass over them. The rain and fountains of the deep was all across earth, the waters did not have to move to much, as to a flood like a dam breaking. For the waters across earth would of been lifted somewhat simultaneously.

Water finds it's level, the surface is always FLAT! You don't need anybody to give you this information this is known unto everybody. You actually need somebody..............to convince you otherwise.