Trump.... what would turn supporters against him

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    That "we all know it" is precisely why we're in this situation, though. It is a case of belief creating reality, since it is a majority belief that no other party/candidate can win that creates that very situation.

    If people didn't think that way and just voted for the best candidate regardless of party affiliation, the spell would be broken. Very frustrating.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the DEMOCRATS would acknowledge their corruption and work to clean up their own house, it would go a long way towards mitigating the reason Trump was elected. But not JUST them; Both sides need to reject and expose the corruption and cronyism that has led to the dysfunction we are now experiencing. The "circling of the wagons" is happening moreso on the democrat side in order to protect their status-quo. They desperately want that corrupt little empire back.

    Not one prominent democrat has acknowledged the problems in their party, nor proposed that anything should be done to fix them, to my knowledge. Most deny there IS any problem, even after their dirty laundry was laid bare for all to see. Until that happens, outsiders who bring a 'drain the swamp' message will dominate until one actually has the balls to drain.. the.. freakin'.. swamp... "The People are sick and tired of the status-quo, and we're not gonna take it any more." ...is the message that every DC insider should have gleaned from the Trump phenomenon.
     
  3. Nightmare515

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    Well perhaps folks did vote for the best candidate regardless of party affiliation in their eyes? Well likely not, a lot of folks always vote either Republican or Democrat regardless. But it may be shocking or scary but a lot of folks in the country really did vote for Trump because they liked what he was promising.

    We're all different people, what you consider the best candidate may not necessarily be what I consider to be the best candidate. I personally feel that Conservative ideology is better for the nation overall than the other ideologies whether Liberal, Progressive, Libertarian, Socialism, etc. So regardless of what political party Conservatism is associated with I will likely vote for the Conservative candidate because they will almost always support more of what I support than the other candidates holding other ideologies. Conservatism is almost always tied to Republicans so I vote Republican. If a 3rd party candidate is more Conservative than a Republican candidate next go around then I'll vote for the 3rd party candidate.

    In this particular case if Trump would have lost to Ted Cruz in the primary and decided to run 3rd party then I would have voted for Cruz over Trump. But if for example lets say John McCain ran and won the Republican Primary and Trump ran 3rd party then I would have voted for Trump as a 3rd party candidate because I agree more with Trump's ideology than I do McCain's.
     
  4. Zorro

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    Given that Obama's fascist scum of an FEC commissioner, Ann Rave, fought to regulate political speech on internet and was just forced to resign after targeting conservative websites for FEC scrutiny? As long as Trump keeps kicking their ass, I think were are good with him.

    We elected him so he would beat the hell out of the fascist freaks who control our government, and he is doing a good job, doing what we elected him to do, so we are good!

    And, Trump has no other base, other than the Electoral College Majority that elected him, so he can't really sell us out, can he?
     
  5. GW in Ohio

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    Trump's loyalists (who number around 38% of the population) have bought into his cult of personality. They love his brashness, his iconoclastic temperament, and his willingness to say just about anything. They see him as someone who tells it like it is. They haven't turned away when Trump criticized McCain's POW experience, or when he mocked a disabled man, or when he revealed himself to be a low-life sexual predator on the bus with Billy Bush. They don't care that he's in over his head in the presidency. Trump bragged that he could shoot somebody on Times Square and he wouldn't lose any popularity with his base. And his loyalists don't care that he's a braggart, a bully, and the biggest jerk around.

    So what would turn his loyal supporters against him? I can think of two things:
    1. If the economy turns really bad. He wouldn't be able to blame that on the media or the Democrats. Although he would try.
    2. If it turns out that he has close financial ties with Russia. If he is forced to reveal his income tax information, that might do it.
     
  6. katzgar

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    trying to blame the dem for trumps election is dishonest. Trump rests squarely on the repubs back. trying to say the dems dont realize they have problems is dishonest. they have indeed being holding conferences. the problem here is your post is ignorant.
     
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    I don't blame dems for Trump. If that's the message you got, then it is not MY post that's ignorant, it's yours. I blame dysfunctional corrupt cronyism in our governance for Trump.

    The democrats had their dirty unmentionables stolen and spilled all over the ground for everyone to see, and they need to acknowledge and address that in a very public way. The republicans have theirs too. No one is squirming more than McCain. The SOLE reason for Trump is what Hillary represents in our government. If the DC insiders, on BOTH sides, do not see that and take some action, I predict there will be a parade of electoral evictions unlike any ever seen.
     
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    Thank you for proving his point. Keep it up. Thanks to dedicated democrats like you trump 2020 is assured. :roflol:
     
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    Yes......just like Obama's supporters are STILL doing.
     
  10. Sam Bellamy

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    No coloring crayons and out of soy latte.
     
  11. Zorro

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    Trump is doing a GREAT Job! That's why his supporters are so excited and adding to their number, daily.

    Pence to NATO: You’d better step up your game by Christmas, folks:

    Pence warned that the US has been waiting for years to see more investment from their European allies — and they had better start delivering in months:

    Pence specifically took ownership of this position:

    US President Donald Trump expects NATO allies to make real progress by the end of this year towards meeting the increased defence spending target agreed by the alliance, his Vice President Mike Pence said Monday.

    “The president and the American people expect our allies to keep their word and to do more in our common defence … the president expects real progress by the end of 2017,” he said.

    “If you have a plan to get there, our alliance needs you to accelerate it,” Pence said. “If you don’t yet have a plan, these are my words, not his — get one. It is time for actions, not words.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/pence-takes-charm-offensive-eu-nato-034522469.html

    Mad Dog Mattis also warned NATO last week that the administration might choose to “moderate” its commitment if the member nations don’t accelerate the increase of funding to the common defense. In other words, the warning isn’t just campaign rhetoric in the Trump administration.

    Three years ago, the alliance voted to boost their investment in NATO, increasing each nation’s commitment to two percent of GDP. So far, though, only five of the 28 nations in the alliance have met those targets, and one of them is the US. The others are the UK, Poland, Greece, and Estonia — a nation which understands the urgency involved.

    This speech marked the first time Pence has addressed the controversy over Michael Flynn’s termination, ABC News points out. Pence paid respect to Flynn’s service, but made clear that he thought it was time for Flynn to go:

    “I was disappointed to learn that the facts that had been conveyed to me by General Flynn were inaccurate,” Pence told reporters at a joint news conference with the head of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in Brussels. “I fully support the president’s decision to ask for his resignation.”

    It was the vice president’s first time speaking about President Trump’s asking retired Lt. Gen. Flynn to resign as national security adviser.

    “I’m very grateful for the close working relationship I have with the president of the United States,” Pence said. “It was the proper decision. It was handled properly and in a timely way. And I have great confidence in the national security team of this administration going forward.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vp-mike-pence-disappointed-flynn-misled-russia/story?id=45611770

    Pence is playing a lead role in the selection to replace Flynn. After getting burned once, Pence is making sure it doesn’t happen again.
     
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    your post is nonsensical. what on earth are you babbling about
     
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    Do try and remember that our military budget is seven times that of the other most powerful nations before Trump;http://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison We already are a gigantic military industrial complex, which by the way, has sent tens of thousands of our men and women off to die based on lies. Let's keep it real, shall we?
     
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    This I do not understand so hopefully you can add clarity. What is the logic in Trump taking on fake news when he and his administration have made a number of baseless claims? IMO every time Trump makes a baseless claim he is blunting his attack against the fake media. Also are Fox News and Breitbart fake news outlets? If not then why not?
     
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    Like FDR interning Japanese Americans?

    Like Obama taking care of Anwar al-Awlaki without due process? Probably lost his family.

    Like Obama investigating James Rosen for doing his job?

    Like Obama starting a useless war in Libya.

    Thanks for the feed. Have to wonder why the morons protest Trump, claiming he's a fascist when all the fascist policies originated in the Democrat Party? Are they mad at him because he was a Democrat before he was a Republican and they're scared he'll behave like a Robert Byrd Democrat?
     
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    Comparing budgets is largely meaningless. There are a number of reasons the U.S. has far and away the largest military budget and they have absolutely nothing to do with the mythical "military industrial complex".
     
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    If Trump were to get caught up in a sex scandal involving a threesome with Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. Well, that would be it for me. Oh boy. just the thought it.
     
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    Tell that to Donald Trump who wished we had gone after the rest of the oil.
     
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    It is very frustrating and I toyed with the idea of voting for a 3rd party candidate. For just a second. This, to me, was not the election to do that. No way was I going to help Hillary win.
    I suspect a lot of people voted for Hillary for the same reason of not wanting Trump as president.

    It is a cycle that will be hard to break.
     
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    That has nothing whatsoever to do with the size of the U.S. military. And the U.S. made no effort to seize control of any Iraqi oil so you statement make no sense.
     
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    He's only been there for a month, so it's too soon to tell. Ask again in a year or two.
     
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    I wanted to write in my dad's name for president but the place I voted did not allow write ins so I left the top of the ticket blank.
     
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    It's the same thing every single election. It doesn't matter how bad we perceive one or both major candidates to be in a given cycle, the principles remain the same. People are creating their own problem through perception and voting according to that perception.

    Absolutely it would be hard to break that cycle. I'm pretty sure it's going to take either the collapse of one of those parties or, more likely, a systemtic change. Of course, that's going to be very hard to change when the whole nation is casting votes for one person to lead the entire nation, too. Maybe if the President weren't such a powerful and important position, then it wouldn't be such an issue. Not that changing that is necessarily an option or the best course to take, either. Then there's also the added issue of a 3- or 4-way presidential race leading to an even smaller majority electing the nation's leader. Already, the president we have at present represents less than half of the electorate.

    Might be interesting if we weren't electing one person to such a high office, though. Maybe elect multiple representatives who would then appoint a president or something. I don't know. That's another issue - fixing this system is no easy proposition and is not something we're all going to agree on easily, either.
     
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    Trump will goes down with Military force. Well ?
     
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    It's funny because to me this election should have seen high numbers for third parties but didnt. The two most unpopular candidates ever were running, so I thought "well surely people will just say (*)(*)(*)(*) this and vote third party". Nope, and I'll be you're correct as to why; people voting against the candidate rather than for a candidate.
     

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