More evidence Hillary was set up

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Negligence is when you don't do something you know you're supposed to. Hillary didn't know, which was why the FBI let her go. Somebody below her pay grade might be out of a job but there would be no prison, and Comey is just as much at fault as before since nothing he found on another computer could change that. Criminality, much as conservatives would like it to be different, must at one point or another involve some criminal intent, not be simply a matter of one's politics
     
  2. ChiefSeattle

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    Do you have a way to prove the source is wrong?
     
  3. ChiefSeattle

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    It's amazing how many folks from the Right have to be lead around by the hand. Laziness, ignorance, dishonesty, and not giving a flip about looking for the truth, is the reason this scandal has become such a big deal.

    If you had bothered reading my entire link, you would see that Comey's warrant had really nothing at all to do with wrong doing by Clinton based upon the correspondence between Abedin and Clinton. It was just daily correspondence between the two that said nothing and was unfounded as to issue a warrant;

    In response to a request filed under the Freedom of Information Act, the warrant that led to the seizure and search of Anthony Weiner’s computer was “unsealed.”

    Let me say that another way…the warrant that led to FBI Director Comey’s blatant and unprecedented interference with the presidential election, the warrant that we all believed cost Hillary Clinton the election, was unsealed. And what it reveals proves all of our greatest fears.

    USA Today broke the story today, and in the article’s very first paragraph they point out that the “lawyer who requested it says it offers ‘nothing at all’ to merit the agency’s actions leading up to the Nov. 8 election.” The original FBI request for a warrant was frighteningly unspecific, mentioning they had “probable cause to believe” there was evidence of illegal activities.

    They lawyer who made the FIA request is Randy Schoenberg of Los Angeles. He had to say of the communications between Clinton and Abedin (Weiner’s now-estranged wife and long-time aide to Hillary Clinton), “I see nothing at all in the search warrant application that would give rise to probable cause, nothing that would make anyone suspect that there was anything on the laptop beyond what the FBI had already searched and determined not to be evidence of a crime, nothing to suggest that there would be anything other than routine correspondence.”

    Only two days before the election, after insurmountable damage had been done, Comey confirmed there was no significant or new information on the emails.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you liberals need to stop worrying about Hillary it's a quarter to 8 Eastern time and I bet you she's on her 4th stiff drink. She certainly isn't worried about you.

    I might suggest the same idea to the OP, pour yourself a shot you'll feel better
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    No - not right.

    No other SoS used a private server to send and receive HIGHLY CLASSIFIED information.

    Colin Powell occasionally used a private e-mail account for innocuous communications. Nothing wrong with that at all.


    The State Department’s policy, as of 2005, is that all day-to-day operations are to be conducted on the official State Department information channel, which Secretary Clinton NEVER used.

    If she chose to use a private account, she was obligated to discuss her email setup with several internal offices and demonstrate that it was properly secure, yet she did not.

    State Department information security officers told the State Department Inspector General that they never would have allowed the private email server setup - had she asked.

    Secretary Clinton did NOT ensure that her work-related emails were preserved on the State Department system in real time, nor did she surrender them immediately when she left office.

    State Department policy states that, if a private email account is used, it will NOT be used as the SOLE means of conducting State Department business.

    State Department policy further states that in the event that private email accounts are used, all such correspondences MUST be also sent (courtesy copied) to the individual's official (.gov) account in order to properly document those OFFICIAL RECORDS in the event those records are needed to satisfy Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests, subpoenaed for official investigations, or required for any routine audits of official records.

    Furthermore, as with ALL government agencies, all correspondence conducted in the course of official government business cannot be maintained solely by the individual. All such correspondences are PROPERTY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and maintaining them outside of official channels makes those official records subject to complete destruction at the individual's own discretion.

    The fact that other individuals may have copies of those OFFICIAL RECORDS in their official Department email systems does NOT satisfy the requirements for maintaining those records in the official systems. They are considered SEPARATE RECORDS, and must, therefore, be requested via separate requests, which may delay investigations requiring official requests or subpoenas.


    Bottom Line: Secretary Clinton's violations made her virtually impervious to FOIA requests, official investigations, and audits of records of her official emails while in office and beyond.


    As for the criminality aspect of it, here's how that breaks down:

    She did commit crimes. That is an absolute and undeniable fact.

    The root of problem - and the reason why she has yet to be prosecuted - is what's called "mens rea". Mens rea is Latin for "guilty mind".

    The standard common law test of criminal liability is expressed in the Latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, i.e. "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty".

    In jurisdictions with due process, there must be both actus reus ("guilty act") and mens rea for a defendant to be guilty of a crime. As a general rule, someone who acted "without mental fault" is not liable in criminal law.

    That's the basic - albeit shortsighted - stand James Comey took when he did not recommend charges to the DoJ after Hillary Clinton's investigation was "concluded".

    His premise was the she did not intend to release that HIGHLY CLASSIFIED information that she knowingly sent and received via her unsecured server.

    I served 25 years in the Army - all of which was in the Intelligence Community - and I dealt with handling and safeguarding classified information on a regular basis. Had I done a small fraction of what Hillary Clinton has admitted to having done, I would be spending a large chunk of my life in Leavenworth Federal Prison.

    That's the part that rubs me the wrong way. I would have been prosecuted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Under the UCMJ, intent to disclose classified information does not have to be established in order to prosecute. Military members are held to a higher standard - or as I contend - there is obviously a double standard!

    Here's the tricky part. What she did WAS illegal - by any definition and interpretation of the law. She CAN be prosecuted for it! Comey's stand was that there was no precedent for criminal charges, therefore he did not recommend starting the precedent with this case since it was such a contentious matter in a VERY contentious election cycle.

    The important things for you and all others who defend her in this matter to fully understand is this:

    - She was proven to have knowingly and intentionally mishandled highly classified information.

    - She admitted to committing the acts in question.

    - Those acts ARE crimes.

    - She IS still liable to be prosecuted.


    If she were to be prosecuted, it would establish a precedent that I firmly believe SHOULD BE established - not as a matter of political ideology - but as a matter of National Security.

    That may sound trite to you - but she did things that can cost peoples' lives and may very well have compromised the security of our personnel who dedicate their lives to making our Nation safer.

    We live in a Constitutional Republic.

    We are governed by the Rule of Law, the outlines of which are set forth in our Constitution.

    The Rule of Law applies to everyone.


    "Everyone" includes people named Hillary Rodham Clinton!
     
  7. Dayton3

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    You still didn't answer my question:

    Where is the evidence any votes were changed by the FBI Directors actions?
     
  8. ChiefSeattle

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    As this post gets a little age to it, the laugh seems to be at your expense, seeing that the Trump crickets have so far been able to mount a coherent, mature, counter rebuttal to the information I provided in my link. It's been pretty much juvenile rants and ad hominem. What else can expect, right?
     
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    You've still offered no evidence that votes were changed as a result of the FBI Directors actions. Much less evidence of enough votes in the right states to swing the election to Donald Trump.
     
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    Who is the 'we' in 'we all believe cost Hillary the election'?
    That is opinion, not fact. Try as you might, opinion is just that. There is nothing to show this cost her the election.

    And as I said in another post, it is according to one lawyer who supported and gave to Hillary's campaign.

    One last thing, make up your minds as to what cost her the election. The left has been crying 'the Russian did it, the Russians did it' in one breath and in the next it's Comey's fault. Can't you guys get your stories straight?

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    No, you just don't like the answers.
     
  11. ChiefSeattle

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    That's the beauty of the evidence. Votes are irrelevant. Change public opinion by creating a false scandal, and that's all that is needed to bury a candidate. Evidence proves that is exactly what Comey and the FBI did. They drew up a false warrant on Clinton that didn't have an ounce of truth to it at the time, while the real scandal with the Russians was being ignored. They changed public opinion, which is a big deal.The grounds for their actions was not just unwarranted, it was at the worst time possible to create a false impression.
     
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    Never seen such a defeatist group as these Trump supporters. Nothing like having free range to the truth, while they sit around with their fingers up their (*)(*)(*) totally helpless, with not so much as even an ounce of arguable substance to engage with. Pretty pitiful don't you think?
     
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    Yep, this sucks bigly. All those fundraisers, hundreds of millions in donations, media acting as Hillary's free uber-vicious Super PAC, all that anti-Trump dirt, smear, lies, faux outrages... What a waste :D Perhaps if Hillary did not lose all 3 debates, you would not have to blame Russia :roflol:

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  14. ChiefSeattle

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    I have made up my mind. The Russians and the Comey screw up both contributed tremendously to the election of public opinion. Don't believe me, ask Mitt Romney about public opinion, and how he came out with his election numbers.

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    Non-existent counter argument. You folks keep dropping like flies.
     
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    Old news. Get over it. And if you can't I have play dough to send you. LMAO.
     
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    In other words you have NOTHING to indicate that Comey's actions made ANY DIFFERENCE at all.

    I guess Hillary Clinton's defeat didn't have anything to do with never even visiting Wisconsin where Governor Walker had a well oiled political machine to pull for Trump or ignoring Michigan while local Democratic Party officials were literally begging for help.
     
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    anyone with a brain already knew what was on anthony weiners laptop way before the election..and it wasn't the russians either..that is not what cost her the election..
     
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    Our counter argument was on November 8th, sore losers are not entitled to counter arguments, they are subjected to ridicule.

    PS I will give you the courtesy though. Hillary and the libs had an enormous financial, political and institutional advantage with all living presidents on her side, with the media, the establishment, the celebrities, the special interests supporting her, showering her with endorsements, hundreds of millions and campaign appearances, relentlessly attacking, bashing and demonizing her opponent, non stop, 24/7 for months.... Whining it's not fair is beyond absurd.
     
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    I thought she was the smartest woman in the world. How could she LMAO be "set up?"
     
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    Asking me a ridiculous question isn't going to suddenly change the information I provided that no one has yet to challenge with a logical, mature, rebuttal.
     
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    It's not just Anthony Weiner they discovered. The correspondence emails were discovered with Abedin and Clinton that said nothing significant that Comey used to smear Clinton, then, they were later redacted. Thanks Comey, too late. The damage was done.
     
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    The wrongful pursuit of a presidential candidate during very key times that painted a picture of corruption, scandal, and lawlessness, then suddenly fall back to dismiss those charges, is damage initiated, damage done.
     
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    I don't doubt it, with all these kindergarten responses of yours.
     
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    Whoa padna. Hillary has been accused of being the smartest and most qualified women ever. Even Obama said so. How can someone that smart be set up? Besides she has LMAO Bill at her side.
     
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    The only reason something like this pushed the election over the edge was how unpopular Hillary was. This is because her emails, and emails released by wikileaks showed how corrupt she was. Also its pretty obvious that there was a play-for-pay thing going on with her foundation. Everything she did and said was obviously coached and rehearsed. She had no problems in using the system to cheat like she did in the democratic election that was rigged against Bernie Sanders. Also, she had few notable accomplishments for all the time she has been in politics, and her message was just more of the same rather than something people could get excited about.
     

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