Oroville Dam Got No Obama Stimulus Funds For Repair In 2009.

What's stupid is that an area that receives all of its rain in 3 months of the year lets the water flow back into the Pacific and relies on limited reservoir capacity for drinking water and irrigation. They have been very lucky in recent centuries with more rain and fewer, less severe, droughts. Go back before 1500AD and they had megadroughts lasting 50 - 200 years.

 

Well using Obarry logic, it was built in 62 so it has to be the fault of LBJ, NIXON, FORD, CARTER, REAGAN, BUSH, CLINTON or BUSH! No damn way did it have anything to do with him and the Vapor Stimulus!

 

Well sadly California is the last stop before the Pacific Ocean, cant be changed!

What could have changed was the election of Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown in 1974. The Corps of engineers had four damn slated and ready to start construction when Moonbean when off on a Lysergic acid diethylamide vacation and killed the project with the excuse that California wouldn't need that much water reserves! Even after his economic advisers presented him with a fifty year growth and farming projections!

What's even more amazing is the bubble heads elect him again in 2010 and the idiot is STILL neglecting his water infrastructure! What is it with Moonbeam and his fear of to much water

 

Whether I am in for it or not doesn't matter. What is right is the only thing that matters and peoples lives and property does matter. If your property was in the way of being destroyed would you want help or do it on your own? Preventative measures are always the cheapest way to go. You pay now or you pay later.

 

That's all well and good but again...where does the funding come from to replace every dam in the country?

THIS one had not been identified as needing repair when the Stimulus passed.

 

Flip it. You want the fed to pay for Ca damn and water infrastructure, but you won't pay for poor peoples health care?

Well actually you already paid for poor people's health care, because they still went to the doctor or ER and if they didn't pay, someone did either in higher prices or premiums.

But I get the feeling you want to use fed gov't, but only for what benefits you personally. Based on your non answer and non sequiter.

 

Sounds like they didn't take the stimulus. So you should be happy. They will be responsible for their own infrastructure.

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That's on Ca. They do their own preventative maintenance. Not the federal gov't. Ca is full of money.

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Say you really don't believe such lunacy and are just trolling.

 

"Stimulus projects awarded to the state included $2.2 million for “more attractive” sidewalks and $2.5 million for a 205-acre “zero net energy” community on the University of California Davis campus to put a greater “emphasis on walking” and bicycling"

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/ca...alifornia-dam-in-good-shape-but-not-oroville/

 

How I wish that were true, unfortunately, they truly were sold on that load of horse (*)(*)(*)(*), it truly did affect infrastructure spending decisions, and these folks think they are very smart, which makes is difficult for them to change their minds. So there is no guarantee that they won't chalk this up to an anomaly and continue on in the same mindset.

Jerry Brown's father, Gov Pat Brown and the Democrats put together a fabulous sensible state wide water system that stores water and drains flooding, beautifully, in this state that oscillates between drought and flooding. It was much more than what was needed at the time, so for years, as the population grew, they would build the next piece of it, keeping infrastructure in pace with population growth. Then Jerry Brown was elected the first two times, the zero growthers were steadily able to get their views expressed in law and policy and water and flooding infrastructure stopped. The population has doubled since then and now we lurch from drought to flooding with airy dreams of bullet trains in our heads.

Permanent Drought Was All The Rage


“Thanks El Niño, But California’s Drought Is Probably Forever“. “California is still in a state of drought. For now, maybe forever.”

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/thanks-el-nino-californias-drought-probably-forever/

“California Braces for Unending Drought“

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/us/california-drought-water-restrictions-permanent.html

Governor Brown: “But now we know that drought is becoming a regular occurrence…”

“California droughts are expected to be more frequent and persistent, as warmer winter temperatures driven by climate change reduce water held in the Sierra Nevada snowpack"

https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=19408

 

I am failing to see your point. It was determined 9 yrs ago the damn didn't need upgrade.

 

How long is the state of California going to be allowed to contribute to rising sea levels with this dam overflow crisis? Shouldn't Trump's newly appointed EPA chief Scott Pruitt be imposing fines on them for this?

 

That fact like most facts seem to affect right winger not at all

 

Since when have Liberals been accountable for ANYTHING?


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sea levels are not rising because of all the rain..third grade science should have told you that the rain comes from the pacific ocean and when it rains it will drain back into the ocean someday..so it equals itself out...

 

It's good to hear rising sea levels aren't a big thing these days. Maybe now I can use my gas trimmer without feeling guilty about melting glaciers.

 

in the late 60's is the first time i heard about the rising ocean levels..they said back then that the ocean in san francisco would be 90 feet higher by the year 2000..so i took my grandkids to san francisco one day and they wanted to see the beach..i showed them where is surfed as a kid..and guess what?..the ocean is the same level now as it was then..nothing as changed...

want to cut my 10 acres of weeds for me?..i am getting tired of doing it every year

 

I am many miles downstream from the Oroville dam and have driven to that area a fair number of times. I have spent the night for weeks in that area. I worked on highway construction there.

The dam itself has not failed. The overflow or spillway is the failed part. I assumed in CA, that my state was on top of this like white on rice. The damage that took place was avoidable. If we think it was not avoidable, we are in the dark. Frankly I believe the first failure is in the actual flawed design of the spillways. They need a permanent fix. But alas I expect they will simply patch it over.

 

And that boys and girls, is why Californians should support CalExit.

Obama is not unique ignoring California.
California is taxed by the Federals and sees very little in return.
Witness how the East has railroad systems and California does not.
Obama denied California Federal water during the drought.
It was the same under Bush, Jr. and Bill Bubba Clinton too.
Can any Californian remember the last time a California Presidential Primary mattered?
Can anyone remember the last time California got any Federal assistance since Eisenhower built the Freeway system?

Yet the Federals occupy some 43% of California's designated State turf. View attachment 47326


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A poster who I believe is trustworthy spoke of the flawed spillway design. Even a bad design works until severely tested.

When I would drive by that Dam, I honestly did not suspect the spillways were improperly designed. The claim is they should have been designed to aqueduct standards rather than the lesser standards they are today.

It could involve a lot more spillway weight. i drove pilings for a living for 9 years so have a good idea what he was talking of.

He spoke of driving piling to bedrock. Actually that is not necessary. Piling depend on a variety of things depending on total load to be imposed.

Friction on the sides of the piling accounts for most of the resistance to sinking deeper. The bottom of the pile is not a large factor. Bedrock implies the load is ultimate. We drove a lot of piling in San Francisco for very tall buildings and never got to bedrock. But they were still very long and heavy steel beams. Now that they fully understand the problem there, I tend to think it will be repaired the correct way.

 

Thought you said weed not weeds at first and I was going to apply to be your new partner.

 

Hmm, is there a need to replace the dams or put good preventive measures and servicing into them? Had preventive measures and repairs to the Oroville dam been done through the years using the $7 plus billion assigned to the water project, would we be having this discussion now? It's been pointed out that the dam is structurally sound but it's the spill ways that required the maintenance or rebuilding. Moonbeam had enough money assigned by the Fed to do that. He never did it.

 

All it proves is that Republican Schwarzenegger dropped the ball as Governor.

But sure, the fantasy in the OP plays right into the wheelhouse of the low-information, undereducated voters still delusionally pushing the "Obama is Satan" narrative.

 

I read the part

if you can be that wrong, it's a sure bet the rest will follow suit!

 

OK fine. Show us a report that stated that the dam NEEDED money for this work.

We'll wait