Oroville Dam Got No Obama Stimulus Funds For Repair In 2009.

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  1. Lesh

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    Since when have conservatives been accurate about ANYTHING?
     
  2. daisydotell

    daisydotell Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does every dam in the country need replacing? Maybe some states are keeping up with the repairs as they are needed.

    Yeah but it needs fixing now doesn't it? Look what happened when Katrina hit NOLA, you do remember that don't you? Who was responsible for the after effects of that? Can you say FEMA? A disaster is a disaster, man made or nature made.
     
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    if it was weed the kids would be here all day for FREE..no mari j for me
     
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    Done correctly in the first place, and I got this idea from a poster here that spoke of the design flaws. the concrete would not have shattered.

    If you lay a sidewalk with the concrete half an inch thick, it won't last the first uses. If it is an inch thick, you get more life. If your pour is 4 inches thick, it stands up to foot traffic.

    Spillways are steep by design. They are concrete. The poster brought up thicker concrete. I think he wanted piles driven to bedrock. Frankly I am not familiar enough with the geology where the dam is to claim I know how deep bedrock is.

    It could be that the piling under the spillway, (assuming the engineers did call for piling to begin with) may not have been deep enough, but it does not mean deep enough means going to bedrock. It is up to designers to know the soil. We used to drive test piles and test them for days to verify the pile specifications were good enough. And they design in a safety factor.

    Thicker concrete just may have done the trick. That I don't know. I don't know anything about the piling design there either.

    At times things made by humans simply fail.

    Sadly this is not when we first learned of the dam problems.


    http://www.latimes.com/local/califo...with-oroville-dam-s-1487017633-htmlstory.html

     
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    You have to wonder what they use for brains in California, they would rather spend 60 million on a bullet train they don't need than fix their dams. :roll:

    It seems clear they expect the rest of us to fix their dams so they can have a useless bullet train.
     
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    Most dams are privately owned.

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    We can't survive unless Brown creates that fast train.
     
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    you have no idea what you are talking about...the dam at folsom lake was a higher priority and was done first..all the gate sand spillway was repaired..oroville dam is fine..it was the spillway that needed work done..dam is not going to fail..
     
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    Do you think the privately owned dam could repair all the damage that is created if it breaks?
     
  9. Lesh

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    Since I made no mention of any of that please explain what your personal attack was supposed to be about
     
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    All Californians pay taxes for the above. BTW I live in Southern California, Oroville is in Northern California.
     
  11. Lesh

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    And let's remember that the nonsensical claim in the OP was that this dam should have been repaired under the Stimulus but that is obviously BS since whatever issues it now has were not identified at that time.

    Thanks for playing
     
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    Gov Moonbeam spending the states money on criminal aliens is dangerous to thousands of Californians that lay in the way of the dam.
     
  13. dairyair

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    I am quite sure the RW limited gov't types would like that exactly. For the lie when they say they want small gov't. They want large gov't to enforce what they want. Just like everyone else.
     
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    You're trying to explain how nature works to a RWer? Good luck.

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    If you were worried about it, you wouldn't have been using it. But nice try, or was that a troll remark?
     
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    It was a troll remark. I actually have a rechargeable electric trimmer which puts out no CO2 at all. It does have to be charged from regular house current though I hope that's not contributing too much to global warming.
     
  16. dairyair

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    If I build my house on top of a high hill with a great view, and it rains and wind blows and my house slides off the top of the hill, who's fault is it?
    The fed gov't?
    We as home owners get home insurance, why can't state gov'ts get damn insurance?

    I was not aware they are asking for fed aid, they turned it down to do any work on the damn in 09. And now some are whining its the fed gov'ts fault it has issues.
     
  17. dairyair

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    Who is responsible for building below sea level in an area that is near the sea?
    I'd say the dumb arses who built there.
     
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    They better. If I build something on my property right next to another property. And what I built falls onto the other property and does damages. Who's fault will it be to repair the damages?

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    What any of this has to do with obama care is beyond me.
     
  19. Wehrwolfen

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    It's the emergency spillway, not the Oroville Dam that has ...
    http://www.latimes.com/local/califo...threatened-it-s-the-1486957892-htmlstory.html
    ... Evacuations ordered below Oroville Dam' ... at the dam and repair the emergency spillway. ... Oroville Dam's main spillway, the dam itself is structurally sound...
     
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    Good for you. Hydroelectric damns are good to the environment when they generate electricity. So all is good.
     
  21. Wehrwolfen

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    There is also the need for a good base to pour your concrete. a four inch cap is considered good, but when the base is graded properly and #2 stone added to the base with steel matting now you've got strong pad for the walk way your discussing.
     
  22. daisydotell

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    Have to say I agree with you.
     
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    daisydotell Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could blame the engineer who said it was safe to build your house on the hill or you could go collect your high dollar insurance. Or you could wimp out and ask FEMA for help.
    Actually when all is said and done, I believe President Reagan said it best, when he said the scariest sound was, "I am from the Federal government and I am here to help." I say the less money you take from the Feds the better off you are.
    I feel for the people who are in danger of losing what they have if there is a flood.
    They don't??

    How about putting the blame on whoever didn't fix the dam or spillway? Perhaps it is all fake news.
     
  24. Lesh

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    I don't know what you think you linked to but nowhere did any of that say there was a report back in 2009 stating that this dam needed work.

    FAIL
     
  25. Wehrwolfen

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    Earlier inspection reports offer potential clues, including cracks on the spillway surface that could either be cosmetic or indicate deeper problems. In recent years, construction crews patched cracks — including in the area where water burrowed a huge pit last week. If past repairs were not done properly, water could infiltrate and eventually tear through the concrete.
    "Conditions appeared to be normal," the inspector wrote in reports from both years.
    Getting into the channel affords both a closer view of cracks as well as a chance to tap it with a special hammer, with the sound telling a trained ear whether the concrete is solid or there may be erosion in the earth below. Last August, a team of inspectors only checked the channel from vistas around it, not inside.
    Experts said problems like the cracks in the concrete spillway and spots in nearby areas where water seeped from the reservoir through a hillside were common issues with dams. What mattered, said John Moyle, New Jersey's director of dam safety and flood control, was whether dam operators dealt with the problems carefully — patching cracks so they were watertight, and dealing with spots where water was leaking through so they didn't grow to undermine the concrete.
    http://www.thehour.com/news/us/article/Cracks-may-offer-clues-to-California-dam-s-10933472.php

    Obviously the inspections were flawed and the erosion/seepage did not just occur overnight. We do know that the Obama administration has under a federal program allotted funds for the maintenance of California's dams. Apparently those funds were not spent on the best methods of maintenance of the Oroville Dam and spillways. Whether the fault lies as far back as 2009, 2014, or as recently as 2016, the simple fact remains that good safety, maintenance and repair procedures were not followed as seen by the resulting structural damage to the Dam spillway at this point in time.
     

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