Water Filtering Plant In Donetsk Captured By Ukrainian Forces

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Nothing.. I have no idea what that is.
     
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    What does US want in Ukraine? Why americans interfere in the country's business that is geopolitically in the area of Russia's interests? Maybe Russia should initiate a coup in Mexico and set there anti-US government?
     
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    Litwin, you are talking nonsense! Genghis Khan has never been a creator of Russian Empire.
     
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    The US isn't controlling any eastern Ukrainian towns, are they?

    I understand that Russia wants the Crimea because its a tourist destination and has gas and oil, but why Ukraine?

    Russia isn't all that successful even in Russia proper.
     
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    litwin Well-Known Member

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    the earth has only one Lord (only - Genghist) , all others are bydlo (slaves who can be killed , raped, force to work if Lord wants, a perfect example Koba - Who killed around 30 millions of them and he the most loved khan of Muscovy ) , thats why all international agreements have no power (Principe inequality of the partners) . Lord is Man - God, thats why critic of Lord is blasphemy and treason. if you saw yeatarday attack on navalny, Putlerists tried to give him the American flag (marking him as a traitor) even thought any expert ´d say that navalny is far - rightist , and put Muscovy over everything , even human rights, and intranatinal law (Crimea issue )
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochi
    and

    "The Golden Horde (Mongolian: Алтан Ордын улс Altan Ordīn uls; Russian: Золотая Орда, tr. Zolotaja Orda; Tatar: Алтын Урда Altın Urda) was a Mongol and later Turkicized khanate established in the 13th century and originating as the northwestern sector of the Mongol Empire.[5] With the fragmentation of the Mongol Empire after 1259 it became a functionally separate khanate. It is also known as the Kipchak Khanate or as the Ulus of Jochi.[6]"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde
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    just well - know facts , why do you hate you past so much? a racial issue?
    [video=youtube;tt_EYJ5VId4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_EYJ5VId4[/video]
     
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    double
     
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    I have read many books about Czar Nicholas and his family... but I don't have any grasp at all of Russian history.

    What I find strange in the extreme is a leader who would post bare-chested photos of himself on his website.
     
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    Donetsk representative said today Ukrainians left the plant.
     
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    how many dogs and cats he killed during his life?
     
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    Ukraine is the world's third-largest grain exporter. How Monsanto would love to get a hold on that.
    It isn't the main reason that the legitimate Ukrainian government chose to remain with Russia- but it's a major factor. Neither Ukraine nor Russia expose their people to that genetically-modified sh*t.

     
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    LOL, so what? you know push and pull , soon it will be totally defenseless, when Ukrainian guns could reach any part of Lugandon , and Hold it under total control ))

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    True...60+ yr olds should never post bare chested pics of themselves, you're not 25 anymore,lol!7:eekeyes:
     
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    It's in russian psyche to dominate others, they need slave labor.
     
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    I respect Veller, but he never says that Russian Empire was created by Genghis Han. For Russian history- read Karamzin "History of State of Russia". There you can read who were creating it.
     
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    The question should be why doesn't Russia want the Donbas? Here let me educate you.

    Why doesn't Russia want the Donbass?

    1- The industries and mines are integrated with Ukraine.
    2- It would change the demographics in Ukraine so that in future elections, the people who want to retain ties and trade with Russia would lose their majority vote.
    3- The further west one goes in Ukraine, the less they want to be with Russia, so they wouldn't know where to place the border. ​


    Why does Russia want Crimea?

    1- Crimea was where Saint Vladimir and by extension all of Russia was baptized in the Orthodox faith and where it became the cultural foundation of Russian civilization.
    2- Crimea is as important historically for the battles it fought as well as its naval base as Boston would be to us... and even more so.
    3- Sevastopol is the only outlet Russia has to the Mediterranean Sea.
    4- Crimea is necessary for the security of Russia to protect its missile bases in the Urals from attacks from a Nato installed base.​

    Why do the people of Crimea want to be with Russia?

    1- They speak Russian, conduct their business in Russian, marry Russians, and go to school in Russia.
    2- They do not want to be under a fascist regime that insists Crimea give up its heritage and language.​

    Why does the US want Crimea?

    1- To kick out Russia's fleet from Sevastopol and put in their own and thereby destroy Russia's access to the Mediterranean.
    2- To install American missiles and hinder Russia's nuclear threats from the Urals..​
     
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    Of course not. But you do not need to control anyone on the suburbes of Ukraine. It is enough to control people that sit in Kiev. It is 21 century now and one do not need to send the military troops to setup the government that is suitable for your political or other purposes. Russia does not want the territories of Ukraine. It wants the loyal to Russia and adequate government there, and this is normal.
     
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    Nazism is a political system based on race and ethnicity. Are you denying that the denigrating comments on the forum by supporters of the Kiev junta towards the Russians are not racial and ethnic? If so, then why are you and others calling Russians Mongolians, and making it a denigrating term?
     
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    will it works for you?
    [video=youtube;J8yGpA-at28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8yGpA-at28[/video]
    Karamzin, should i read Pushkin, and other fair tellers too?
     
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    There is no such thing as a Ukranian, the name itself means end of Russia. It is nothing more then borderlands of Russia.
     
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    So yes Nazism was that...and it was a rather limited minority of people who held those attitudes during WW2, all Germans weren't Nazis, and soldiers in their armed forces e.g.Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine weren't all Nazis, that was left to the SS, Herrenvolk, most members of the Reich, reichsmarshalls etc, just like you trying to brand ukies as Nazis. Well Russians do posses the Mongolian gene, and there are members here at PF, who denigrate Ukrainians here, more so than the other way around, I've heard a few "f***in xoxols" comments so it's a two way street.
     
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    How does Ukraine benefit?
     
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    Russia has a naval base on the Med at Tartus.
     
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    Actually many rocket scientists in the former SU, were captured german scientists from WW2, as in the USA(operation paperclip). The cold war, space race, arms race etc was a competition between America's captured Germans vs.CCCPs captured Germans...Klaus Fuchs assisted the Muscovites in acquiring your Abomb!
     

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