Solving the USA prison problem

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Robert, Feb 14, 2017.

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Send them to Mexico or not

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Time to show Democrats the damage they have done one more time.

    Shame on them for turning a decent nation into a totalitarian state.

    [video=youtube;p5-5a6Q54BM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-5a6Q54BM&t=7s[/video]
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mexico has thus far proven they do not care about our problems. I am a believer in self interest, that is what is best for you ought to be your mission in life. The brackets on that is that you harm no others.

    We have already deported, per Obama, record numbers of Mexican criminals. Mexico claims they will not help the current president. I don't think they helped Obama either.

    We do not need Mexican criminals. Frankly we have plenty of criminals locked behind bars. We have an oversupply of convicts.

    I suggest we shove our convicts out as I believe Mexico is doing to us.

    Not all of our convicts should go. Some will return to society and rob and pillage perhaps you. If you need to be robbed, by all means keep those in your area.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You might be in rare company of liking convicts in the USA.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clearly some changes to law would have to first happen. But Democrats love new laws, new regulations and any new rules.

    But you realize I was speaking of domestic criminals. Bear in mind when England deported criminals to Australia, they populated a continent. I would ship them to Australia but they have an Army and Navy.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For crying out loud. The next poll will be very very elaborate so posters can spend a day trying to get to the bottom of it.

    This for me was kind of a bit of satire to be frank. But even Obama bragged he got rid of Mexican criminals. I say let's toss them a few that we know we will house for life. The convicts get a break and it is doubtful they would want to come back facing the border agents.

    Mexico would fight this tooth and nail. Wny is border control only the problem for the USA. Pass the fun to Mexico.
     
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    USA has the highest incarceration rate in the World. US System is one of the most inhumane systems in the World as it is.
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do Democrats persist in being dishonest over what George Bush was alleged to have said. Bush at no time made such a comment over the constitution. That story was retracted as fiction.

    Look, as a young guy, I well recall the Mafia. Imagine me telling you they came to America for the good life. And deporting them would hurt Democrats feelings. Democrats as a rule defend convicts. Even domestic convicts are treated as semi angels.

    America has strict laws as to employers. But lax enforcement. And even more lax on border jumpers. We want to blame Americans over the Mexican problem. Well, those who have checked this out find out quickly that the laws using ID checks are mostly not mandatory. I don't really like calling it a law.

    I get a kick when posters launch into this attack America mode first.

    I once had some step boys. One, Brian hated it that his mom divorced his dad and I came along a few years later. Brian and Me were not simpatico at first. I was willing but the boy really missed his own dad. Over time, Brian came to get close to me.

    The point I want made is not this part, but to explain how I know what Brian and his dad did. I got the story from Brian. His dad had problems with this country's laws. Something about the IRS had a cross hair on him. So off they both go to Australia. They somehow got work but once a period passed, Australia told them them must leave. They next went to Indonesia and they told them to leave. They went to Germany and worked until Germany told them to leave. Same in France.

    Here is his dad's web site in Panama.

    http://panamaparaiso.com/aboutus.html

    There are so many countries that would reject all of us unless we were legally there. Why must the USA treat illegals as if they are resident citizens?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Export them to Mexico and our rate tumbles.
     
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    No. Give disabled people Welfare as Scandinavia does -- and much fewer of them would become addicts and criminals.
     
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    I think they would remain illegals.

    We have serious problems. We lack jobs for citizens, Then not by policy, but because of the border crossers into the USA, the problem gets worse and worse. Even Obama alleged he deported criminals. I simply figure a good way to cut our own prison population is to give them a chance by sending them to Mexico where the climate is good. Win win in other words.

    As to investing in Mexican companies, can't you buy stocks in them should you prefer to boost the Mexican economy?
     
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    I think this will also help Mexico get more upstanding lawful citizens.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You would be surprised how many us citizens of young age are on welfare by being pronounced as disabled. Many of us think a person who is blind is disabled. But our laws cover those and a huge number of others who were you to meet them, are not visibly disabled. I sold a mobile home to a woman who has long been paid and she said her disability is ADD. Thing I noticed most is she is grossly fat. She has been on the public dole since she became an adult.
     
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    The only support I get comes from my parents. I am not ashamed to be Moderately Autistic and Moderately Depressed.

    My parents are my de facto guardians.

    Most disabled people in USA have no such help and end up in prison.
     
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    So far as I am aware, this person I used in my example has not been a problem with law breaking.

    My point is that there are many that collect from the Feds. Keep in mind, she had to apply. If one does not apply, they won't collect. I suspect many may not realize they actually can collect.
     
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    Most disabled people do not become criminals, but most prisoners are disabled.
     
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    Even if you kick all the illegals out, not gonna create many if any jobs in my area. No lettuce farms. We used to have a lot of migrants, but the DNC killed tobacco....and as someone who has suckered and pulled tobacco, not ever again even if I were starving.
     
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    There is a myth that the illegal mexicans harvest crops. I know of Mexicans who were or are still illegals that install roofs oh homes, do construction jobs and even work in restaurants as cooks, etc.

    Tobacco has been damaged severely by Democrats as a productive crop. I once used it myself. But figured my health was worth more than so called benefits of smoking a pipe or cigar were. I quit them cold turkey in the 1980s.
     
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    I thought deportation of US citizens was illegal?
     
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    Our tobacco is mostly sold overseas and what is consumed here is mostly grown over seas. It has to do with flavor profiles.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I smoked at one time quite a bit of tobacco. I do not recall where London Dock pipe tobacco came from but I smoked a lot of that.

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    I smoked at one time quite a bit of tobacco. I do not recall where London Dock pipe tobacco came from but I smoked a lot of that.
     
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    That is why I said to deal with convicts, some changes to law have to happen. Convicts really lack rights anyway, don't you agree?
     
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    Without that little word "illegal" you really don't have an argument. You're really pissed that a foreigner would have the audacity to take a job willingly offered in order to feed their family. Imagine had you been that mad at gun control, illegal taxes, and other forms of socialism!

    So, the people lack papers. Suppose the "illegal" part of this argument were something criminal in nature. You have shown NO respect for the presumption of innocence / presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of your peers. So when you attack the Rights of someone else, you've attacked MY Rights. IF this were a criminal issue, when you jeopardize MY Rights and the government can pursue me absent Due Process for a precedent you helped create, I'd have a problem with you. The fact is, your side DID something similar with the so - called "Patriot Act" and many Americans were imprisoned and some murdered with NO DUE PROCESS.

    Rest assured, being in the United States without papers is not a criminal offense. It is a civil violation of the law, not a crime. It is so insignificant, it doesn't rise to that level. If you wanted to address an immigration issue, I've written many position papers that address the issue without the wall; without the need to jeopardize the Constitution; without the socialist solutions you are stuck with.

    Your side needed the illegal income tax based on the Communist Manifesto and the National ID / REAL ID Act (Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids.) You need to gut the Constitution by getting rid of the Fourth Amendment; you had to get rid of innocent until proven guilty. You people are clueless as to how many of your own that have been sent to jails, prisons and graves due to your lobbying efforts. Illegal? What a cop out! It's too bad that treason is no longer "illegal."
     
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    And, here's my idea:

    While we're at it. let's get rid of some of our most awful criminals and corrupt scumbags. Let's arrest and ship out the worthless, corrupt, and spineless republican congresswh0res. I mean, let's get rid of some REAL vermin.

    And, don't forget we now have a White House filled to the brim with LIARS and incompetents. Let's ship them out of the country, too (along with their stinking "alternative facts"). Do these two things and we'll Make America Great in no time. Guaranteed.

    You're welcome.
     
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    You seem to have relieved yourself all over the topic.

    Wipe first.
     
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    There is a viable solution to prison overcrowding - bring back the death penalty and actually carry them out after only 1 appeal. And extend the death penalty to home invasions, armed robbery, gang membership, shooting a law enforcement officer, any crime committed with a weapon(gun, knife, even a metal bar), etc. That should bring up executions to about 1,000/wk. Now that should clear out the prisons.
     

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