At what point do we recognize Trump as going too far?

From my perspective, Trump is already within a hair's breadth of the line of crossing over into total totalitarianism, the Muslim ban being a perfect example. Thank god we do have a system of checks and balances, but his continual attacks on the press are very disturbing. At the moment, I predict this will be the rubicon in which Trump will pass into dictatorship.

What about yourself? What would Trump have to do to convince you he has crossed the line from President to something else?

 

At what point do you recognize he's the President of the United States?

 

Yes, you have been duly noted as being a loyal subject to the Orange Crown.

 

Nothing short of unlawfully detaining political opponents, censorship of media, or implementation of martial law without cause would erode my confidence in his ability to execute his office.

 

He's definitely skirted close to those thresholds, "lock her up" and the threat to send the Feds to Chicago.

 

Trump of course did not initiate the FBI investigation, nor press for further inquiry. He does of course have the authority to direct federal agents to enforce federal law, in any city or state he deems necessary.

 

Paranoia has no limits. Really?

 

Is that a general statement?

 

Not general. It's bound to your OP. Sorry, this conspiracy stuff is always a head shaker.

 

Well, maybe you can explain the paranoia Republicans have over Muslims, because it seems to me that Trump's ban was not based on logic. Or the paranoia of Mexicans crossing the border, when the current influx of undocumented migrants are primarily from the South Pacific....unless the border wall is gonna be a lot longer than Trump claims?

 

Neither of those if actually acted upon are even close to "crossing the line". And those are at present simply words or ideas.

 

First, for the millionth time - his EO was not a Muslim ban. No how...no way. If it were a Muslim ban, then why did it not ban Muslims from the other 40+ countries with majority Muslim populations? Merely saying it is a Muslim ban doesn't make it so...no matter how many times you parrot that tired and false narrative.

Secondly, his new EO will not suffer the same fate. It will accomplish the intended goal of forcing the countries on the list (now reportedly minus Iraq?) to put in place stronger and more effective vetting procedures for identifying exactly whom is trying to enter our country on "refugee" status. That's what the original EO was about - not a blanket ban based on religion. Again - trying to paint it any other way just doesn't resonate with anyone except the painfully ignorant and uninformed partisan-minded fools.

Third, we need an aggressive press to serve as watchdog of all administrations. There are two main problems with that:

1) The "mainstream media" (CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS/NBC) never even came close to scrutinizing President Obama. He got a free pass because he was their messiah. Denial of this obvious fact is comical.

2) They are manufacturing lies -- not reporting truths as they should be doing. Americans see right through this...and they will remember in 2018 and beyond. The "mainstream media" are losing what credibility they had - and currently, President Trump has higher believability ratings than the MSM.


If President Trump began subverting our Constitution, all of us who voted him in office will vote his a$$ right back out. If he started going overseas and bad-mouthing our country as President Obama did on his "apology tour", he would lose support from those who voted for him. Contrast that with the response President Obama got from his supporters who were more than happy to see and hear him bashing America while trotting around Europe.

As you said, we do have a system of checks and balances - and President Trump has NOT violated any laws or attempted to subvert our Constitution, nor has he given any indications that he will do anything except live up to the promises he made while campaigning. I know that part likely bothers you - but it is a breath of fresh air for so many of us to see a President actually doing what he said he would do.

I am not a blind supporter of President Trump. It took me a long time to get on board. Neither I nor my state nominated him - we chose Senator Ted Cruz, who is an ardent Constitutionalist. However, once I figured out what he was doing...how he was doing it...and most importantly, WHY he was doing it - it rang true and he has my support.

By the way, even though I didn't vote for President Obama - I supported him. He was my President even though I did not care for his ideology. I wanted him to succeed in making our country stronger -- but I did NOT want him to succeed in "fundamentally transforming the United States of America". His fundamental transformation meant a hard turn to the Left and I am happy that he did not succeed in making that transformation a reality.

We did not need to be "transformed". We needed to be led. He did not effectively lead this Nation - not by any objective metric. We never experienced 3% growth during his tenure, Labor Force Participation plummeted to its lowest level since 1978, and his inept foreign policy blunders weakened not only our country, but it weakened large portions of the rest of the world as well.

I know all those things will never be accepted by most Democrats - but there are many on the Left who actually do realize that all those things are true and that his presidency was one with a tepid record of real accomplishments -- tepid at best.

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and accept when "your guy" failed.

We on the Right don't want President Trump to fail. The Left does want him to fail - period. They don't care how much he accomplishes - they will brand him a failure regardless - so his best strategy is to stay the course and succeed in making our country and our citizens stronger and more prosperous.

It is very unseemly to use hyperbolic terms like "totalitarianism" and "dictatorship" when referring to our President. It diminishes the actual meaning of those words when used in a manner that is so blatantly out of context and just plain wrong. President Trump may be a lot of things, but he's no Hitler...or Stalin...or Pol Pot...or Ceausescu.

President Trump, for all his faults, has no desire to be a tyrant, a totalitarian, or a dictator. He loves his country, whether anyone believes that or not. He wants to make our country a place where every citizen - and I emphasize "citizen" - has the opportunity to excel and achieve their goals.

If non-US citizens are inconvenienced by any of his policies, that's too bad. The benefits they stand to gain by coming to our country far outweigh any personal inconvenience they experience by having to wait a while to be properly vetted. Felonious criminals who came here illegally have no reason at all to complain when they are deported for being criminals -- and I don't care how much family they have here! They shouldn't be here in the first place, now should they?

We are a sovereign nation and if we intend to remain as such, we have the responsibility to put our citizens and their safety first!

Please support our President! Believe it or not - he has your best interest at heart.


Thanks for your question.

 

So, now with Trump as president, we are just days away from becoming a new North Korea? Wow, wasn't aware of that, good thing we have Far-Left Progressives to keep us in mind about our government.

Oh, and BTW, there is no "Muslim ban". If you're referring to the 7 nations who Trump wants to place his executive order on the immigrants of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen who wish to enter here. Most (but not all) people from those countries, their faiths are Muslim, but it's not a ban on that religion.

What was Obama's ban about? Was that on "Muslims" too?

 

The the current influx of undocumented migrants is from Central America.

Where the hell did you get your info showing that it was the from the South Pacific?

 

So, from your perspective he's come withing a hair's breath of total totalitarianism for something that never happened or never will happen?????????????????????? Is that suppose to make sense?

 

I guess I would need a tinfoil hat to see what you are talking about. All this hysteria and hissy fits because liberals are politically impotent is ridiculous. How about figuring out what they screwed up and stop blaming. No one is buying it.

 

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What are the odds that this guy was a birther?

 

A ban that only effects less than 12% of the muslim population, isn't a Muslim ban.

 

Trump is doing exactly what he promised, and is doing exactly what I hired him to do. He hasn't announced a Muslim ban, and if he did I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. But he hasn't. That unfamiliar odor that you smell is called testosterone. It may be odd to you but it is welcome to me. Finally a leader that has sand in his marble sack.

 

You mean like totally over into total totalitarianism?

I'm guessing that the point came when somebody who you disagree with won, and the blowhard totalitarian you wanted to win lost.

What do I win?

 

I strongly believe that Character determines Fate.

• This is a man who has allowed his businesses to go bankrupt four times because it was in HIS best interest.
• This is a man who has cheated his contractors from paying them for their work.
• This is a man who had ample opportunities to demonstrate charity, but was out done by even the likes of Leona Helmsley.
• This is a man who is proud of being a misogynist.
• This is a man who had twenty years of gaining some actual experience of being a public servant by running as Mayor or Governor but did not.
• This is a man whose ego is so large he can never admit he is wrong.

Not for one second do I believe this man has "my best interest at heart", for his entire life his only interest has been Trump.
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The Democrats are being destroyed. Going to be a loud and messy process. Tuning out a lot of things will help some.

 

Oh for pete sake you'd rather Chicago burn down than have a federal investigation into the gang banging and corruption. Hell the mafia was bad enough but at least they usually just wasted each other these punks are killing 12 year old girls 9 year boy more often than not because gang banger pistol stance may look cool in the movies but it is absolutely the worst way possible to accurately shoot a pistol as confirmed by myth busters. How many more african American kids have to die walking home from school before leftist decide that enough is enough and insist on doing something that might effectively end the crime spree in Chicago?

 

"Character determines fate" ....that explains why Hillary lost.