What don't people like about President Trump?

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  1. Mr. Swedish Guy

    Mr. Swedish Guy New Member

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    two parts... first is that he is incompetent. just look at his administration thus far: A big fat disaster... I rest my case.

    second is that he, as an individual, is disgusting. The worst thing in my view is when he mocks veterans while he dodged the draft himself. Can't think of a bigger narcissistic pos than trump. He's just a spoiled child.

    so he is an incompetent pos... few if any redeeming qualities.
     
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  2. TomFitz

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    We heard this same song and dance from Ronald Reagan and George W Bush.

    Two things happened. Federal debt exploded as both made promises that they could not pay for. And the middle class got poorer while the top 1% won out.

    So it will be with Trump.

    Same ideas, same results.

    Why do you think guys like Wilbur Ross, Steve Mnuchin and the Goldman boys are all on board?????? This is a business opportunity for them, and you will pay for it. That's the way to worked during teh Reagan and George W Bush years.

    As I said, we've seen this act before.
     
  3. TomFitz

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    Fairness?

    At this point in the first Obama Adminstration, the President had already submitted a comprehensive Stimulus Bill to Congress and got it passed.

    Donald Trump has yet to send his first proposal up to the hill.

    At this point in the Obama adminstration, Congress had a budget in hand from the White House. Trump only got around to directing his staff to start working on one last Monday (and he probably only said that for the cameras).

    No, I see no reason to give a man who has no experience, and clearly doesn't know what he is doing the benefit of any doubt. I have been watching his career for 30 years, and this is exactly what I expected to see.
     
  4. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That Stimulus proved to be a bonfire for taxpayer cash.

    Rushing for quick fixes, so warm fuzzies could be trotted out for cameras, is the cause for tge slowest "recovery" we've seen, & is something this administration, (I'm hopeful) is trying to avoid.

    D's are dragging feet, so, without many cabinet positions filled by people he chose, relying on hold-overs helps give the illusion of inability.

    Believe me, after his first 100 days, should I see more of the same, & it not being helped to appear so by obstructionism, I'll be in the First Class section on the Take Trump to Task Train.
     
  5. TomFitz

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    The "bonfire for taxpayer cash" was already lit when the economy collapsed under the weight of the speculative boom unleashed by GOP deregulation and Bush lack of enforcement.

    Far from a quick fix, the Stimulus Bill had been in the planning stages even before the election and the Obama transition team was heavily focused on it after the election.

    No one seems to know what the Trump transition team did other than continue to infight and wait on their boss' Twitstorms and campaign rallies.

    There are few holdovers. In fact, there has been a veritable flood of people putting their papers in or quitting outright.

    You had better reserve your seat now, because what you're seeing now is the way Trump ran his campaign and the way he ran his business.
     
  6. fizbo

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    You're conveniently leaving out that the "speculative boom" was originally triggered by the CRA, which started with Bill Clinton's damaging amendments to the program in 1995. Maybe Bush could have done a better job recognizing the warning signs. But he didn't start the fire to begin with.

    As far as the very easy life of the infant Trump administration, your still playing Chicken Little for lack of anything else to complain about. Same song, different verse.
     
  7. Lesh

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    Absoutly untrue. The CRA had nothing to do with it. The rollback of Glass Stegall did
     
  8. fizbo

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    Sorry, when the banks got pressure to give loans to folks who weren't really qualified, the floodgates slowly opened. I'm not going to litigate the reality off this, but the following is a good read:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cra-debate-a-users-guide-2009-6
     
  9. TomFitz

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    I didn't "conveniently" leave out that claim because it is a baseless right wing talking point.
     
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    That can't be, well unless it's not so much the lie but the "Brand" and the "Deliverer" of the lie that makes the difference!
     
  11. garyd

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    In short the most obvious answer to your question, is that (R) after his name. In second place is the fact that he owes essentially nothing to the corrupt establishment he is trying to replace and that makes him dangerous as hell to the powers that be Republican or Democrat. So we will continue to see the slow hissing of steam from the joints of this all too seamy quagmire that is the current US government as it produces over heated air in an attempt to discredit the man they see as a threat not so much to the American dream but to their perks, privileges most of which the founders would have found abominable.
     
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    Hmmm... A "baseless right wing talking point" that I provided just one instance of credible evidence for. A simple Google search, and actually being a student of that time period, will take you to many sources that come to the same conclusion.

    Since your argument is simply "baseless right wing talking point", l'll take it that as actually have limited knowledge, and you don't really want it anyway. That's OK. I get a lot of that kind of response around here.
     
  13. Maccabee

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    Such as?
     
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    What does it say about the other candidates that America chose him?

    What does it say about the electorate that it elected him?

    These are fundamental questions the Trump opposition seldom asks and even less frequently will answer.
     
  15. TomFitz

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    Yes, that was the standard right wing talking point at the time. It served two purposes. It absolved the financial services industry from responsibility fo their recklessness. And it blamed the whole thing on unqualified people in the inner cities (read, black people).

    This was nonsense then, and it still is. The areas hardest hit by the housing crash were the places where gated communities full of McMansions flourished briefly and places like Las Vegas and Florida where the overbuilding was most rampant.

    You conveniently left out the fact that the Bush administration did everything to encourage the boom, by lowering reserve requirements, raising FHA limits, and looking the otherr way over the derivitives business. It served their purpose too. People didn't notice that they hadn't had a raise in three years when the man on the radio told them every day that they could cash out the equity in their home and still have it all for the same monthly payment.
     
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    Incorrect you're just parroting Republican talking points
     
  17. Just_a_Citizen

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    Ok.
     
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    Not true at all people are more than willing to realize that Clinton wasn't a good viable option either and they also more than realize that there a lot of people out there that their jobs went overseas you're just acting all paranoid
     
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    Very well put.

    One thing I would add is that the real damage from this pervert’s administration is the machination utilized to attain the office in the first place. With every touchstone along the way, the genie is released a bit more. First, someone used to be nominated before they would consider running. Now we have people announcing in March after the midterms it seems. We used to have some semblance of party unity. Now we have this pervert calling his opponents school yard names. And now in the General election, the pervert colludes with a foreign government to trash his opponent? The genie is out of the bottle from here on out. Anyone running for the office who doesn’t have a hacker or twenty on their staff is not running the same campaign that the other guy is running. Whether they make use of what they find is another matter. Its one of those things you can use as a demo. But, thanks to the pervert currently serving as President…the gloves are off and they will never be put back on.
     
  20. Bluebird

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    Ok, here you go---
    Let's start with trump claiming that OBAMA wasn't born here( without any evidence & years later still no evidence)

    trump says he will repeal & replace OBAMACARE where everyone will be insured, cheaper premiums, more choices, better care--well his repeal & replace right now gives better off citizens more advantages, but senior citizens & the poorer among us pay more or get kicked off of insurance they now have under OBAMACARE to the tune of around 14 million ---

    trump tweeting an accusation against former POTUS OBAMA having wiretapped trump towers despite no evidence---now us taxpayers are footing the bill for an investigation that trump can have the answer to in 20 seconds ----it is not befitting a POTUS to do this,what was his reasoning behind this?

    trump claiming he will make company's stay in the United States,well, he could start by bringing "HIS" company's back to the United States
    going along with this,trump says he will stamp a tariff on these company's products coming into the United States,well,all that does is make the products more expensive to us consumers-How does that help?

    trump claiming the last jobs report was because of him ( it was a good report)---Well, no,it wasn't, he had not put forth any policies on this & the jobs report takes more than 20 some days to compile(the days he was in the presidency when he claimed this),anyone who knows anything on our economy knows that-that was just untrue

    trump's unflattering remarks on twitter or on video against Fiorina,Megan Kelly,Merrill Streep,Arnold Swartchenegger,Ted Cruz' wife, the Gold Star family, the disabled reporter,HILLARY,the size of his penis vs Marco Rubios',the remark about Ted Cruz' father being part of the Kennedy Assassination,muslims,Rosie O'Donnell---remarks like this is not befitting the POTUS or one campaigning to be POTUS---

    then we have trump trampling on our democracy by using illegal wikileaks as his main presidential campaign tool against HILLARY--( I have other theories about trump's involvement with Russia & his campaign, but,the facts are not out on that yet so I will leave that for now)

    If I think of more,you can bet I will be back----
     
  21. Turin

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    Then why is it that "red" states are the largest consumers of federal dollars when it comes to...well... just about everything?
     
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    Not only does he brag about grabbing women by the pu$$y, and about screwing other guys wives, he also likes to use his position as the Miss Universe owner to walk into the pagent dressing rooms so he can oogle all the young women in various states of undress. He has bragged about doing all of these things.
     
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    Because they are hypocrites.
    They say they hate the federal government, but would collapse without the state welfare they get.
     
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    Yes, and minus the access to backstage Ms Universe, Donald and I have these things in common. Feminism isn't an affinity all women share. Bold amorous advances haven't always been rebuffed. I remember the sexual revolution quite fondly, and more importanly recall quite clearly, many occaisions myself being groped by agressive young women. I realize femanists have succeeded in feminizing todays young men, but don't try and retroactively apply your feminist standards to an era of sexual freedom.
     
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    So here are a couple more
    trump on the campaign trail, railed against the "Hispanic" Judge on the lawsuit about trump's fake University-said he would fight it because, if he gave in it shows weakness-then after he won the fake Presidential election-he paid $25 million to settle the case---Good for the victims in this case,but,it should have exposed his fake bravado to even his most ardent supporters---

    his slamming the MSM as fake news, he means every news outlet that doesn't praise him,that is a narcissist dictatorial attitude,what ever happened to the 1st Amendment there fake POTUS---

    trump says he wants to drain the swamp, then turns around & fills his cabinet with scandal ridden appointee's with deep Russian connections or people with proven opposition to the very positions they were appointed to or totally inexperienced for the job--

    trump has ridiculed & degraded just about every group out there,All the judges that rule against him, all the Attorney's that don't agree with him,all the Women he doesn't like, the Jewish community, the Muslim Community, the Hispanic community,even the Native American's( when was the last time Native American's protested in the streets or built a Tee-pee in front of trump tower)you can't govern effectively if you keep pi###ng people off.

    But,perhaps the saddest moment of all(showed us all what we were in store for),was when he sent his Press Secretary Sean Spicer out the FIRST Day of his fake Presidency to "angrily" declare that trump had the largest inaugural crowd ever (which it wasn't)--for me, it forever ruined the credibility of Sean Spicer ever telling the truth as trump's spokesperson-trump did a terrible disservice to our country & Spicers livelihood,same with Kelly-Anne Conway with her "alternative facts" comment---
     
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