Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

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  1. Frank

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    He did not do what an honest person would do.

    If he had, he would have said...I was less than forthcoming during the confirmation hearings.

    He had met with Russian operatives...the Russian ambassador.
     
  2. MrTLegal

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    Again, you are talking about firing her based on the fact that she had a private conversation with Bill Clinton. That is unreasonable.

    You can believe Sessions that he was answering "off the cuff" and that he was "surprised by the question" and that he did not "attempt to mislead." The fact remains that he answered a question and voluntarily added a statement, under oath, that was objectively not true.

    So they privately decided that he would recuse himself (even though Trump publicly said he should not recuse himself about 2 hours before his announcement) and it was just a pure coincidence that the public announcement came after this report was published? Really?

    Ok, then let's look at the history of this administration. Remember Michael Flynn? The White House confirmed that they learned about Michael Flynn discussing sanctions with the Russian official (and thus the fact that Flynn had lied to, and made a liar of, Mike Pence) approximately two weeks before Michael Flynn was fired. Then the article about the fact was published. And then Michael Flynn was fired.

    Do you honestly believe that Trump would have fired Flynn but for the publication of the story? This administration reacts to what happens in the public realm.
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    I am a bit incredulous that you would believe a prepared statement from Sessions, a statement made 12 hours after the publication of the story and after private consultation with other attorneys, would somehow negate the fact that he made a voluntary statement, under oath, that was objectively not true.

    At best, he misled the committee. An extremely reasonable interpretation of his statement is that he lied.
     
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    Very few people still fall for Fake News.

    “There is no incongruity in the fact that a(*)new poll conducted by the Media Insight Project, a joint project of(*)the American Press Institute and the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, finds the American media’s popularity way down(*)with that of Washington politicians. With 2,014 adults surveyed, only 6% expressed(*)“a lot of confidence” in the(*)press.”

    “The Media Insight poll found that close to 90%(*)of Americans consider it extremely important or very important(*)that journalists get their facts right. As in RatherGate and so many other cases, the media not only gets the facts(*)wrong but also uses them as political weapons.”

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/only-6-trust-media-but-it-should-be-less/

    Falling for Fake News is now willful negligence. Sessions' decision to recuse himself from any investigations should be reversed - ASAP.
     
  5. Curious Always

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    I think the recusal is the right call. Even Trump admitted he could have been more clear. Whether or not it was intentional is anyone's guess and just depends on your favorite laundry color.

    As a moderate, I would say it's probably not intentional, but as a lawyer, this is law school day 1 stuff. Don't offer information not asked for and only answer what was asked. His statement was not clear. Does that make him a bad lawyer?

    Every potential witness is taught this lesson.... if someone asks you if you know the time, you say yes or no; you don't answer with the time. That's the kind of mistake he made.
     
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    Read the question he was asked. Read his answer to the question he was asked.

    He did not lie. Its clear as day.

    Stop passing on lies. Be a truthful person.

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    What he stated in the news conference matched what he said in the confirmation hearings. He did not say he had no contact with the Russians, he did say he would take the advice of the ethics committee.

    Stop promoting lies, someone who promotes lies is in turn a liar. Be honest.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even the president admits he could have been more clear. :roll:
     
  8. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have read it and listened to it over a dozen times.

    If Sessions could not answer that question better (sorta like the way he did at the press conference) he should be in a remedial think course rather than sitting in the Attorney General's office.


    Whether he lied...or just responded stupidly...is still up for grabs. It is only "clear as day" for you because you want it to be.

    I cannot stop passing on lies, because I have not passed any on.

    I am a truthful person, Battle...whether you can see it or not.
     
  9. MrTLegal

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    If you have to claim that something is clear, then it is probably not that clear.

    Sessions voluntarily stated that he did not meet any Russian officials. He did, in fact, meet a Russian official.

    Even if you want to believe that Sessions meant to say that he did not meet any Russian officials in his capacity as a Trump adviser, that is not what occurred. But let me ask you this - what is it about the month of September 2016 would lead you to believe that a private meeting between Sessions and the Russian diplomat would NOT include a discussion of the election set to take place two months later?
     
  10. Frank

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    Recusal hardly means 'guilty'. It was the honorable/right thing to do.
     
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    Having a private 'conversation' with someone who's wife is under FBI investigation is at the very least unethical.
     
  13. Battle3

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    All any of them have to do is read the transcript. Its as clear as can be. Sessions did not lie.

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    Read the transcript. Only a person intent on misrepresenting the truth for political gain can misunderstand the transcript.

    Sessions did not lie. Its as clear as day to anyone who reads the transcript. Even the ones who claim Sessions lied know they are themselves lying.
     
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    Obviously you did not read the actual statement from Sessions during the hearing. Since the local censors deleted that post, here it is:

    Senator Al Franken (D-Minn.) — “If there is any evidence that anyone affiliated the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?”
    Sessions - “Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I did not have communications with the Russians. And I’m unable to comment.”

    Very clear. Read the question. Read the answer. Don't read it through your "progressive" political glasses.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    Well DUH he and his wife were parts of major federal criminal investigation, she knew better.


    You know if you are going to attemot to discuss this then at laest go and educate yourself instead of arguing out of ignorance. Go watch videos of the ENTIRE exchange where CLEARLY Franken says that thosbhas just come iver the wires and had been handed to him.. it was out of the blue and Seesions answer was off the cuff.

    Again DUH yes his meetings with his staff and thr office of legal counsel to setermine the course he should take were private. And Trump had no involvement as is SOP.

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    I have no need for the diversion.
     
  16. Frank

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    I've read the transcript and I've viewed the tape...MANY TIMES.

    Only a person with a personal political agenda could see that thing as clear...and not open to several understandings. You are calling the understanding that differs from yours a "misunderstanding" because of your bias.

    He may have lied...or he may be a lot less bright than I suppose he is. Either way...the testimony is at odds with what actually happened.

    You mean like Donald Trump???

    Even he said the response could have been clearer.

    Stop digging. You are deep enough.
     
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    Hardly. Even the media is beginning to claim this is a non-issue. The lies of the "progressives" and their useful idiots are not even fooling the media. Stop spreading lies. You lost the election, the people have rejected you. Go get a beer and get over yourself.
     
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    This was not a legal case, Franken is not a prosecutor. This is politics. Sessions answered the question asked truthfully. Game over. Until Sessions - or Trump decided to surrender by recusing himself. Trump needs a tough very aggressive AG if he really wants to drain the swamp before it swallows him. Sessions should reverse the decision to recuse himself - or resign.
     
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    There needs to be an independent investigation into contacts between the Trump campaign, related personnel, and Russia.

    If the tables were turned, Hillary won, and China had hacked Trump and the RNC releasing embarrasing and compromising emails, and Hillary's personnel had met with Chinese govt. officials during the campaign, Trump and his team would be calling for revolution and violence...
     
  20. Dutch

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    Yep, yep... I remember you and yours bringing up Bush Cheney, Bush Cheney, Bush Cheney whenever possible, and not possible.. a little Obama reminders here n there would not hurt anybody, trust me.
     
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    then you better fire Pelosi and schumer too because they both had met the same ambassador from russia as did sessions did..and so did atleast six other democrats from congress...or just shut up and get a real life and quit whining like a bunch of babies
     
  22. Dutch

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    My friend, only Democrats and Progressives call for revolution and violence... with and without reason, mostly without. Thought, you knew that.
     
  23. Ronstar

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    my friend, Trump himself called for revolution in 2012 when it appeared Obama won re-election while losing the Popular Vote.

    folks all over this forum called for revolution during Obama's 8 years.

    Tea Party folks constantly called for revolution and secession, during Obama's 8 years
     
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    Point conceded. Now, show me when have Conservatives callled for violence?
     
  25. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a call for "revolution" is a call for violence, unless you specify it be a peaceful evolution.
     

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