In 50 years will guns still be legal in US?

In 50 years will guns still be legal in US?

I do not think they will beyond hunting rifles.

 

Yes, defo.

 

Well, considering that federally, we have less gun control than we had 20 years ago, I'm pretty sure guns will be legal in the U.S., and I think it will include everything that is legal now, and possibly make silencers and short-barrelled rifles/shotguns less restricted. If anything, I think hunting rifles have the most chance of being restricted. Hunting will be outlawed before defensive gun ownership will be.

 

Honestly I don't think they will.

We know the left wants to ban gun ownership. Many of them pretend otherwise because they are on the wrong side of opinion polls on that issue at this time, and they don't want to lose voters because of it, but they are always trying to place more and more restrictions, with an outright ban being the ultimate goal. They can't run on that right now, but they will gradually try and implement "common sense reforms" in order to decrease crime. And, when those predictably fail, they will come back and say "we aren't doing enough!". That's been their playbook for the past 50 years. Thankfully, there is still a strong opposition force that is keeping the left in check on gun control.

As more and more Mexicans pour over the border, the game will change. With high usage of welfare and Government dependency in their communities, it will ensure they will continue voting left, even when the left threatens to take guns away. When your food and shelter is tied to the left-wing party, a trivial issue like gun ownership is a no brainer. Once they don't have to worry about losing elections anymore at the national level, they will feel a lot more emboldened to go after guns. I can see them stacking the Supreme Court with extreme left ideologues who will "interpret" the 2nd Amendment in a left-wing way, effectively ending gun ownership.

 

Given the rapid pace of our cultural change, it seems unlikely that even hunting rifles will be legal in 50 years. Jurisprudence has degenerated into two schools of thought: some version of originalism or textualism, and the if it feels good, do it doctrine. That trend seems likely to accelerate, and since the "feels good" school outways the originalism school by about a 80/20 split, all it takes is two terms of another Democratic President, and he can pack the court to outlaw guns, pick up trucks, or whatever else they don't like.

 

Personally, I do not believe the Lib agenda has enough power to change this right bestowed upon us! As responsible Law abiding citizens (of the great USA) we should always hold the 2nd amendment dear to our hearts.

 

While I respect your opinion I definitely disagree.


My reasoning behind my disagreement is that basically, whites are on a numerical decline and will forever be in the US and they are the ones that are pro-gun (I'm a white guy so this is not a racial anything post). In 50 years you have to factor in the reality that Democrats or some new form of Progressive politics will very likely run the country or most of it. Based on that:

-Most nonwhites are for gun control or at least will not fight against it.

-The future of America demographically is large populations of Hispanics, small populations of blacks and declining populations of educated whites, all of which support gun control overall.

-The future of every educated country is likely some form, what exactly is debatable, but definitely some form of soft-police state. Just look at every intelligence future forecast of any major nation.

-The future of the US is going to be nonwhite. Nothing can really stop this at this point. Once that is readily apparent to most whites, it will be whites who go strongest for gun control and to confiscate all the guns. Just wait until Joe Schmo redneck realizes that he's surrounded by blacks and Hispanics with guns and they all dislike him. Mr. Redneck will all of a sudden like the idea of gun control and a police state most of all.

-Stability. Imagine if we had a great depression right now and 50% of the workforce was unemployed by next week. Now factor in every 3rd person has a gun. Now factor in that reality. Sit down. Get a cup of coffee. Think about that for a few minutes. 50% unemployed. Every 3rd person has a gun. Let it really sink in deep. 50% unemployed. Every 3rd person has a gun. If you aren't more than a little scared after that reality has sunk in then you should be. Because that's the end of the country as we know it. Police and military would be futile to stop the resulting mass social, racial and just outright murderous chaos that would ensue once that 50% realized they probably won't ever in their lifetime have a good job again but that they do have a loaded gun. Try to truly fathom the impossibility of that situation. You will never put that Humpty Dumpty back together gain. Your society is Fd for good after that. Such is why the future will be one of gun control and police states to varying degrees. It basically has to.

 

Well no obviously not right now but the thread is asking in 50 years from now..

 

Yep...and my response was based on that premise.

 

If you believe losing your job gives you the right to go on a killing spree I suggest you disarm immediately.
Firearms were just as prolific during the last depression. What's changed besides the strength of your coffee?

 

An interesting question but I don't believe the answer is a straight yes or no response. I answered "No" but not because they will necessarily be illegal (excluding hunting firearms) but instead because I anticipate the "required for self-defense" argument will no longer exist.

There are many brilliant minds working today on how to invent a non-lethal weapon that is equal to or superior to a firearm in "stopping" an attack. This predominately comes down to immobilizing the attacker(s) so that the "threat" no longer exists. In science fiction they've got the multi-purpose phaser that can be used in several function modes including "stun" that temporarily disables a person. That's science fiction but we're very much aware of how yesterdays science fiction becomes tomorrows reality.

In any case a hand held portable "non-lethal" weapon that could immobilize one or more individuals without cause them any permanent harm renders the necessity for a potentially lethal firearm obsolete. In self-defense the person never has a "right to kill" their attacker and to intentionally kill is to murder. Deaths are all to common with firearms but those deaths are incidental to the act of immobilizing the attacker. The only reason that we're allowed to possess firearms is because non-lethal weapons today simply can't be counted on to stop an attacker. The non-lethal weapons just aren't as good as a firearm for personal self-defense.

It that changes then why would anyone even desire to use a firearm for self-defense. Killing someone, even in self-defense, is not something any rational person would really want to go through and if there's no need to then there's no excuse for it.

So I anticipate the invention of a non-lethal weapons actually superior to a firearm will be created and it will render the lethal firearm obsolete for the purpose of self-defense. Will that result in the banning of firearms (except hunting firearms) I don't know. I doubt it in the United States but we will keep them for sport and not based upon any necessity.

 

If the 2nd amendment goes away or is severely altered to some abomination of what it is now the United States of America will have become something else entirely.

 

Today we are experiencing a war between liberalism and conservatism. The conflict has been going on a long time, hundreds of years.

Liberals want citizens to be denied gun ownership. They want guns to be available only to government officials. Conservatives believe that citizens should be allowed to be armed. The two sides are diametrically opposed. The battle between libs and conservatives can exemplify itself within the gun issue. Who will win?

 

Ummm... yes. Until the world cracks open or a bigger nation wipes us out. Basically the end of the US is when the second amendment will be gone.

 

Wow I regret responding to this poll. Didn't realize it was a little cuckoo in here.

 

I believe that the only way to make gun ownership illegal would be to amend the Constitution, in which case the question can be translated to "Sometime in the next 50 years, will the Constitution be amended to remove or revise the second Amendment?" I don't believe that will happen, but anything's possible...

 

-Granted, the future is "nonwhite," however I think that will increase support (at least among whites) of gun rights. I just don't think it will matter in a judicial oligarchy, which the US is evolving into.

-We had the Great Depression with much looser gun laws and more common availability of guns and it didn't turn into a blood bath.

 

Yes but neither of you that are making the great depression era argument for guns are keeping in mind the truth of demographics. The country was much whiter then. It is not the same place anymore and will certainly be a close-to nonwhite country in many regions in 50 years with radically different policies.

You are all basing your biases on the issue on the here and now or 5 years from now. None of you are giving demographics and how they impact policy and law the weight they actually carry.

 

Didn't vote.

It all depends on if the dems can gain enough power to confiscate the guns.

I believe most of these dem controlled states in the red are battling 50 state reciprocity concealed carry.

http://concealednation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ScreenHunter_590-Nov.-12-11.56-720x360.jpg

The long term goal of the dems is not a mystery. All we have to do is to look at the dem controlled states to see what they will do.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...ect-an-individual-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms

Right now the dems have to work within the 2A. If the dems have the votes the 2A will be history and the US will follow in the wake of Australia's gun confiscation scheme...just as Hillary was planning is she had got in.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151016/hillary-clinton-supports-australia-style-gun-confiscation

 

I actually did in my post. I just came to a differing conclusion.

 

Well and frankly that's the problem with forums these days. Back in the 90's and early 2000's internet political forums had an actual mix of liberal and conservative whites and the threads were rich with differing opinions and were much more open in a lot of ways. In the last 10 years forums have become nothing but 70% white male over 40 "dissent fests" of regurgitated Fox News talking points with no actual representation of the greater society.

Literally this forum (and I say this respectfully) could be renamed "The angry over 40 white man forum" and it would be more than 90% accurate.

 

That has nothing to do with either the topic or my response to your post.



Although certainly your complaint sounds like it's a get-off-my-lawn type.

 

I believe you're mistaken on several points.
Perhaps the most significant misperception is that "non whites support gun control"

Please note the following trend:

"African Americans are changing their views on gun control after the Charleston massacre"
http://www.businessinsider.com/afri...-control-after-the-charleston-massacre-2015-7

EXCERPT "African-Americans across the United States have changed their position on firearms in recent years, breaking with a long tradition of gun control advocacy among(*)blacks and embracing the kind of pro-gun positions that are more widely held by whites.
But the level of African American support for gun control has fallen by 14 percentage points since 1993, when it stood at 74% according to the Pew data."CONTINUED

As the only white who lived in a predominantly Black neighborhood for 20 years, I quickly found that everyone of all ethnic groups wants pretty much the same things, a decent job, friendly relations with their neighbors & comfortable security for themselves and their families.

While most of the Black families I came to know may have supported their wealthy religious leaders who raved about "getting the guns off the streets", the members of their congregations had no intention of getting THEIR OWN guns out of their homes and quietly opposed measures to do so.

Among the truths that my neighbors & I repeatedly witnessed was that:

"When seconds count, the police are minutes away ( or longer)"

 

That's all such bs. Nonwhites do support gun control and you all know it. You can repeat conjured up Fox/Drudge talking points all day, that doesn't make it reality.

 

yes, no president including Trump is gonna take your guns