Trump Hate vs. Liberal Hate: Which one is stronger?

He's left wing? How?

Well, I'm afraid going back to the Vietnam War is "struggling to find".

 

If you could actually put the words together to make an comprehensible sentence we Democrats would be impressed.

 

This is actually pretty close to my situation.

So to simplify, I'll assume that the reader's Social Security contributions were spread out evenly over each month from January 1972 through December 2014. That's 42 years, or 504 months. I assume $512.59 is invested each month. Assuming that the reader held a portfolio with 80% in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index SPX, +0.05% and 20 % in a fund with 10-year Treasurys, rebalancing monthly and paying 0.5% as a portfolio management fee each year, I calculate that the reader would have accumulated $1.17 million. With a 5% withdrawal rate, that would be $58,500 a year, or $4,875 a month.

One thing I am sure of is SS is not paying me anywhere near $4800 per month and my return would have been a bit higher since I would not have had the 0.5% management fee.

 

White heritage in America has been thousands of years in the making? Guess that heritage didn't include much education.

 

European history is 1,000's of years in the making, and America represents to a large extent apart of that, even though the USA is much younger, it's still an important branch.

 

Black Lives Matter

It wasn't a struggle for me to remember.

Then there is Floyd Lee Corkins II.

 

At several points in our history, Americans thought immigrants from Hungary, Poland, Ireland, Ukraine, Germany and Armenia were third world riff raff, undesirables, uncouth barbarians, dilutions of the real American bloodline....if you think you are special you made a big mistake.

 

Well, a love of country implies a love of its people, its traditions, its institutions, its history, its future and its core values. The fact that enough people would voluntarily vote for Trump means everything I thought was good about these implied characteristics was a sham. Add to that the fact that both houses and soon our SCOTUS will become part of the same political movement despite these ideas being a minority view makes me rethink the entire premise of America. If we can elect people like this, we can elect anyone. That stark reality hit me in the face the day after the election as I flew home from a business trip. It was as if I were a Jewish survivor walking around Munich in 1945. Looking at faces in the crowd, all I could do was wonder if this person or that person truly wanted a domestic pogrom against Mexicans, did that person want to take away my medical insurance, did this person really want to destroy our environment, take away womens rights, force a police state upon us, arm Japan and Korea with nukes....it was an eye opening flight home. The airports were not filled with happy people. Everyone was trying hard not to show their shock and alarm at what just happened. It was a day of shame not celebration.

 

Hopefully the next wave of Democratic Senate seats up for re-election will soon be replaced by Republicans. It's a sad state of affairs. We have had a DO NOTHING congress for 8 years when Obama was in office, and I feel it will be even worse now that Trump won. Even though the Republicans have the majority in the White House Congress and Senate, losing a few more Dem babies would be awesome!

 

I would say a LOT of middle class people have 401K's and IRA'S. I am the middle class and Trump has done wonders for my IRA! It's up 15%! Best it's ever been! So Trump is benefiting everyone!

 

Thread: Trump Hate vs. Liberal Hate: Which one is stronger?

Obviously it's GOP hate. They've been demonizing liberals,women, blacks and Muslims since Raygun. The libs have been trying to take the high road until now, and have looked spineless.

 

Woolley, we both know that our country has some bad people in it. We have fringes on the left and right. We have politicians who are corrupted. There are people who are lazy, or hateful, or ignorant, etc, etc. I mean, we could make a list, right?

But I really believe that the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans have an awful lot in common. They want to work and succeed economically. They want to raise families. They want to live peacefully and lawfully. Sometimes I think we political junkies who hang out on a site like this one lose sight of that. I want to say, "Hey! Get your nose out of the computer! Go take a ride in the country." When I go to work, I drive from town, through the country, and back into town. You know what I see? I see people going to work. Commuters driving to their jobs, truck drivers driving, farmers in their fields, stores open for business. And I see all these people doing this every day ... doing what they're supposed to be doing. Working, supporting themselves, supporting their families. And it reminds me how lucky I was to be born into America. And it reminds me of how much we all have in common.

I voted for Trump, but I will tell you, I cringed at times at his remarks. I said many times on this board that he was a flawed candidate.

But the alternative was a nice, articulate, politically correct, establishment-approved, do-nothing, status quo candidate like Jeb Bush, and the rank and file rebelled, rightfully believing that that type of candidate does not represent them. Their other alternative was Hillary Clinton, who, I believe, would have been the singularly worst president in our history.

So really, the story of Trump is not really that his voters approve of everything he says (I didn't), but more a story of how rank and file Republicans were in rebellion against the Beltway Republican Establishment at a time when the Democratic Establishment forced the nomination of a repugnant, toxic candidate against the will of a very large number of their own voters. This was a "perfect storm" that worked for Trump.

My wife and I are fairly conservative. My neighbors of 33 years are dyed-in-the-wool progressive liberals. They're great people, though. We like each other, help each other, do favors for each other, exchange Christmas gifts, our children played with each other as they grew up. The politics just don't matter.

Our form of government has a strong system of checks and balances. We're going to be OK. Inevitably, the Democrats will have their turn again. That's just what happens. So let's just try to pull together, knowing that we - the vast majority of regular people - have a lot in common, and most of us are good, decent people who fundamentally all want the same things.

Seth

 

I appreciate your comments and much of what you said is true at the personal level. However, this is beyond personal interactions between friends or acquaintances. If you voted for Trump, you authorized his policies and behavior and must take responsibility for it. You cannot vote one way and then ask us to treat you as if that vote had no consequences. I too have many conservative friends who voted for Trump. I can tell you that since his election, I cannot see them in the same light as before the election. The idea that the pendulum swings back and forth is fine when you are 20 years old. Try telling that to a 60 year old who is now facing at least four years of a complete dismantling of everything good that has happened to us since FDR. Yes, socially we must all get along or retreat to enclaves of like minded souls. I live in California and am proud and thankful that I do. The rest of the nation that is Red is tainted forever to me. I have nothing in common with them, nothing. To add insult to injury, many of them think my vote should be worth less than theirs as if they are more American than I or the many millions like me that live in the 6th largest economy on the planet. No, there is a line and Trump and his band have crossed it.

 

I'm 61, and I live in Oregon. My vote hasn't counted since Reagan was president, including in this last election. The same frustration you feel is felt by conservatives in all blue states, including your own. At least your Electoral College votes went to the candidate of your choice. And keep in mind that if Hillary had been elected you would have authorized her policies and everything she brought to the presidency with her. I'm not trying to start an argument about Trump/Clinton. I'm just pointing out that what you feel about Trump and his supporters would have been felt by Trump supporters if Hillary had won.

I guess I just see it differently than you. Politics are politics. But Country is Country, and I separate the two. I'm a patriotic, flag-waving American. Always have been, always will be.

And I'll tell you what ... If the North Koreans ever send their Army across the Pacific Ocean, and they land it on a California beach, I'm grabbing my AR-15 and shotgun and all the ammo I can carry, and hauling a*s down I-5 to fight the little sobs. I just hope the CHP doesn't arrest me first because I have 30-round magazines with me. (Hmmm .... Maybe I should buy some 10-rounders just in case.) You and your state may be solid blue, but dammit, it's MY Country.

Seriously, though, there are just too many good, generous, honest, and decent people in this Country of ours for me to let politics sway my perception of her. I think we all want the same things, and usually we just disagree on how to achieve them. That is not a good enough reason not to love my Country, though, in my opinion.

Seth

 

California sir was talking about secession with in a week after the election, the rest of us for the most could not care less whether they do or not. To assume some sort of perverse hatred based upon the idea that most of us don't really care about it is at best tenuous and at worst duplicitous.

And the chief evidence for the liberal hate is the willingness to purposefully misconstrue every thing he says usually by placing the absolute worst possible interpretation on it or taking it completely out of context to the extent of using fragmenis of a sentence

 

I'd love Oprah insofar as her politics enables it to be so. I don't want a token politician. America's searching for a real leader. For the record, I believed that to be Sen. Rubio of Florida. I still think he'd make a great commander in chief of the armed forces.

 

I'm glad I warranted a 3 sorry feeling from you. I've been working hard towards getting that 3rd sorry.

Why would I let up on dispelling falsehoods and fake narratives? It seems you simply can't understand why anyone would agree with your position or that of the OP. You do realize this is a forum for debate, not instantaneous agreement, right?

Your insistence on focusing on the substance of my posts instead of forming a coherent rebuttal makes me feel as if you are incapable of addressing the issue.

 

That comity will not help us when our land and water is polluted, my daughters cannot get help at Planned Parenthood, racism is allowed publicly, my Mexican friends are deported, the rest of the world thinks we are ********s and science is considered quackery by quacks. You voted for Trump, take responsibility for tribalism over common sense and duty to the country you think you share with me and tens of millions of others. As for the Clinton/Trump comparison, there is none. One is a professional, the other is a total jerk and ignoramus. You voted for him regardless of your impact on Oregon's EC count. So f_ing what. He is yours to own just as Clinton would have been mine. I would gladly suffer through the worst of Clinton to avoid the nightmare we see facing us. As for common ground due to our shared citizenry, forget about it. I am not remotely interested in common ground with any Trump supporter. None. I belong to a group of millions here at home and billions abroad in our mutual disgust. Own it. You want to share your guilt and shame, forget it.

 

All I'm saying is that I refuse to let an election color my perception of my Country. I didn't these past eight years, and I wouldn't have if Hillary had been elected, and I won't when the next president comes in that I didn't vote for.

We have a lot to be thankful for in this country. And, since no one can choose their parents, we are very, very lucky.

 

Wonderful. Now what the f_k am I supposed to do when Trump gets through annihilating everything I care about? You still want to consider your trabalist vote as if it meant nothing. It does. You and people like you put him into power. The congress is filled with people supported by people who voted just like you. You voted for war against everything America has been about since the 30s. That is the end result of your vote. You do not get to shimmy away from it by bleating for mercy. Own it. I don't give a rat's arse about finding common ground with anyone who voted for him.

 

You vote, my fellow American.

You may be disgusted with me for my vote if you wish.

It's still our Country, and we both want the best for it.

 

Yes but only one of us is responsible for Donald Trump and the Congress. That would be you. You lamely try to find anything to unite us but refrain from admitting that you voted for a person and a party that is hell bent on destroying the world we grew up in. You cannot escape from that vote. None of us will ever forgive or forget. Shame is a start but history puts a badge upon you and all like you who decided party and ideology were too important to disregard. You and yours will wear that badge for the rest of your life.

 

I have a feeling that the world we grew up in will still be here in four years, at which time we will have another election.

"None of us will ever forgive or forget." I suppose not, if politics are your whole world and sole priority. That's not for me. No thanks.

I am a lifelong Independent. I am one of those Trump voters who couldn't stand the Establishment Republicans and didn't want to vote for one. We have a lot in common with Bernie voters, in particular, our recognition of the corruption in Washington and the fact that Washington doesn't represent the people.

And whatever badge I wear may only be defined by me. I'm a veteran, and my entire career after the Army was in the service of my fellow man. I will define myself, thank you, and I can assure you that "shame" will have nothing to do with it.

Seth

 

I think you mean Liberals. They are great with giving out handouts as long as the government pays for it, but are tightwads when it comes out of their own pocket. As for behavior, show me aa Conservative braking windows, turning over cars, etc.

 

Actually most of the wealth in the stock market is held by the upper class. The middle class owns a bit and the poor own almost nothing. So in fact as predicted Trump is going to make the rich vastly richer and the rest may pick up the crumbs. And this is before his massive tax cuts and inheritance tax cuts for the truly wealthy. Enjoy your crumbs.