Trump claims with no evidence, that Obama tapped his phones

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  1. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree. As president I'm sure Trump's getting plenty of intel. If the evidence shows Obama's spook army didn't really tap his phones then he's done in my book. At this point however he still has my confidence.
     
  2. Wehrwolfen

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    The crime is not with the FISA Court. It's the authors of the documents submitted to FISA. If there were falsely submitted by order of Obama through his administration that is a criminal offense. A Crime.....
     
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    Wrong he made the logical assumption that they could already have it.
     
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    Oh the irony is quite thick here!
     
  5. Lesh

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    Yea good luck with that bit of nonsense
     
  6. Lesh

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    Nope. This is what he said

    “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
     
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    Progs claim Sessions lied and colluded with the Russians - with ZERO evidence.

    Progs claim Trump colluded with the Russians - with ZERO evidence

    Progs lie, they push fake news, nobody believes them any longer.

    But it makes perfect sense that the man who abused his power as President and used the govt regulatory agencies to terrorize his political opponents wiretapped Trump. It fits perfectly with the "progressive" mode of operation.
     
  8. Sandy Shanks

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    To say that President Donald Trump has a casual relationship with the truth would be a gross understatement.

    Trump falsely claimed that the crowd for his swearing-in stretched down the National Mall to the Washington Monument and totaled more than 1 million people.

    During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump claimed the media made up his feud with the agency. In fact, he started it by comparing the intelligence community to “Nazi Germany.”

    While meeting with congressional leaders, Trump repeated a debunked claim that he only lost the national popular vote because of widespread voter fraud.

    Spicer said in a press briefing that Trump received more electoral votes than any Republican since Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush won 426 electoral votes in 1988, more than Trump’s 304.

    The White House maintained that Trump’s immigration order did not apply to green card holders and that was “the guidance from the beginning.” Initially, the White House said the order did include green card holders.

    A Trump administration official called the implementation of Trump’s travel ban a “massive success story.” Not true ― young children, elderly people and U.S. green card holders were detained for hours. Some were deported upon landing in the U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) even criticized the rollout as “confusing.”

    Trump tweeted, "How low has President Obama gone to tapp [sic] my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

    Relax, folks. It is just another Trump lie. During the election campaign, lying became an election strategy. The practice has continued during his Presidency. Lying is second nature for him.
     
  9. Sandy Shanks

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    The Republicans keep saying there is no evidence the Russian hacking influenced the election. They say they are not aware of anyone changing their vote because of the leaks. How ridiculous is that, and who said anything about changing votes? The issue is influencing the vote, not changing it.

    The Wikileaks campaign began in July. For four straight months, every single day, and right up to election day the voting public was bombarded by anti-Clinton disclosures, many quite damaging. Trump, himself, even encouraged the Russians. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    It is inconceivable that all this did not have an effect on the election.

    As organized as Trump claims he is, it is perfectly conceivable that the Russian hacking campaign was in coordination with the Trump election committee.

    All this brings up some important facts. Sessions himself admitted that the only time he has met with Kislyak was during the election season, never before July. Of the 26 members of the 2016 Armed Services Committee who met with Russian envoy Kislyak in 2016, Sessions was the only one.

    Two more members of the Trump campaign’s national security officials also spoke with Kislyak in July, J.D. Gordon and Carter Page. Paul Manafort, the former Donald Trump campaign manager resigned over his lobbying work in Ukraine for the pro-Russian government. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Russia's ambassador to the U.S. in December.

    Throughout the election campaign and beyond, Trump has lavished praises on the Russian leader. "If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him." "I've already said he is very much of a leader. The man has very strong control over his country."

    On the very same day that Sessions met with Kislyak, Sept. 8th, Trump appeared on the Russian propaganda network, RT.

    During the four-month period in which Russia was actively interfering in our election for Trump's benefit, according to our 17 intelligence agencies, are we to believe this interaction between Trump's staff and Trump himself was innocent talk about future relationships? That is a bit too much. to swallow.

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    If there is nothing to hide, what are they hiding?

    One thing Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell keep saying over and over again is that there is no evidence. Ryan, "We have seen no evidence from any of these ongoing investigations that anybody in the Trump campaign or the Trump team was involved in any of this."

    Well, that is true, but why is it true? The FBI has not disclosed anything regarding their investigation into this matter. The Senate and House investigating committees have not disclosed anything with regard to this matter. Nunes has said there is no evidence that Trump campaign staff discussed the election with the Russians, disregarding the rather important fact that his investigating committee is tasked with finding that evidence if it exists. It is like a cop saying there is no evidence before he investigates to see if there is evidence. Kinda dumb, huh?

    Obviously, we know the Republican-led investigating committees are politicized. Now we know, as a result of Loretta Lynch's indiscretions, that the justice department which runs the FBI is politicized, and it can be argued that Director James Comey had a direct hand in Trump's election.

    That is where the evidence is and the Republican committees and FBI are not forthcoming. So much for lack of evidence. The evidence is controlled by Trump's political party. How convenient. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
  10. Sandy Shanks

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    There are serious doubts about Trump's claim.

    It would have been difficult for federal agents, working within the law, to obtain a wiretap order to target Mr. Trump’s phone conversations. It would have meant that the Justice Department had gathered sufficient evidence to persuade a federal judge that there was probable cause to believe he had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal investigation or a foreign intelligence one.

    Former officials pointed to longstanding laws and procedures intended to ensure that presidents cannot wiretap a rival for political purposes.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/...e-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
     
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  11. Jason Bourne

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    It's time to regard Trump as bat-sh*t crazy and look towards removing him from office.

    Regards,

    Jason Bourne
     
  12. PARTIZAN1

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    Where us your proof. All you have is are Farts In The Wind by Trump and his gang of Nazi-line cultists.
     
  13. sawyer

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    And in other news Democrats claim Trump conspired with Putin to rig the election with zero proof.
     
  14. Battle3

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    Assuming the Russians were involved in providing WikiLeaks information, what did they actually do?

    They revealed the TRUTH. WikiLeaks revealed that the major media was actively working with the Hilary campaign and the DNC, it revealed that DNC operatives (such as Robert Creamer) were behind the violence at Trump events, it revealed the media was creating fake news to harm the Trump campaign.

    Whoever was behind WikiLeaks, they unveiled the truth so that the American voters had full knowledge upon which to base their votes. And that's why the "progressives" are so crazed and full of hate - their lies were revealed.

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    As to the rest, people meet with foreign dignitaries all the time.

    In the 2008 election, obama and his campaign people met with foreign govt leaders. obama and his campaign staff even met with the Israeli govt political opposition. Go back and read the headlines:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/18/obama.trip/index.html?iref=nextin
    Obama takes campaign trail overseas
    July 19, 2008

    This furor over Trump is all fake news.
     
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    Videos of him lying is a little bit more than zero evidence
     
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    Pray tell how exactly is this encouragement?
     
  17. Lesh

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    Are you SERIOUS? It was a shocking statement AT THE TIME...
     
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    Pray tell how exactly was it encouragement?
     
  19. Professor Peabody

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    You mean no evidence you've see yet don't you?
     
  20. Kode

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    That's right folks. This is just a fake news diversion to stop discussions about the real issues.
     
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    Well- everyone denied what Snowden said too. Nothing happened.... Stay calm...; drink your koolaid....
    You have to be grossly naive to think that such things are not being done constantly by our politicians in power- or that lack of hard evidence proves it's not. The odds of this being true would follow with the known conduct, meaning the cases we know to be true multiplied by the ones that are no doubt true but can't be proven- and that's is highly probable.

    How many times did you speed? How often are you guilty of speeding compared to the number of times you have been ticketed for speeding? That's the ratio.

    Evidence or not, the odds of the people in power acting covertly to sabotage anyone who would overturn what they were building are almost total. The question is how and who.
     
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    It's now pretty simple, Trump needs to do one of two things very quickly, likely within 24 hours:

    1. Produce the evidence of his outrageous claim that Trump tower was wiretapped and that President Obama was personally responsible for it.

    OR

    2. Apologize profusely to the former president and the nation for his outrageous tweets and issue a full statement on why he sent these tweets out.
     
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    Trump's tweet gave away the existence of a fisa court warrant warrants do require probable cause and they cannot be requested by a president so the question has to be what is the probable cause in regards to Trump's campaign that required the warrant to be issued
     
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    Well, Obama's blanket denials have a lot of holes in them. We have a Democrat Senator claiming the existence of transcripts of Trump's phonecalls, would would certainly suggest wire tapping, or that this Democrat is a blithering idiot.

    And although Obama swears he never loosed the spy agencies against any American Citizen, its pretty clear that FISA warrants were sought against the Trump campaign. I expect we will soon start hearing qualifications for Obama's current blanket denials.

    Was Obama Using NSA Against Trump During 2016 Campaign?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...bama_spied_on_trump_during_2016_campaign.html
     
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    In reality, Trump will double down on his claims. He's probably just trying to draw attention away from his failing administration.
     

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