This will no doubt go down as the biggest scandal in my lifetime

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...kes-big-risk-exposing-corruption-889965635859 As I sat at my desk finishing up watching this video, everything seemed to come together, although not all the pieces were available to me, to make that puzzle complete. As a matter of fact, the puzzle may never get completed?

As this report states, with all the murders going on in Russia of people who may be dangerous to the Putin Autocracy, I couldn't help but notice how the pieces to the puzzle seem to come so dangerously close to matching up with the Trump fake administration. One has to wonder, why all of a sudden are these murders taking place in the same time frame of our election? And why are some whistle blowers going into hiding, or why are some people courageously posting videos of Putin's second guy in charge owning all these lavish homes costing billions, when this guy is on a government salary, and why are so many Trump associates including Trump himself getting caught lying about their communications with Russia?

Remember the 35 page dossier that the spy exposed, and now this spy went into hiding? It seems that 35 page dossier he exposed and what is in it, are starting to match up with what has been happening on the ground.

Taking into account all the contract killings of relevant people, exposed unexplained wealth of government officials, and leaks of information on one end, while the other end gets caught up with a whole bunch of lies on their end, this isn't just some casual one or two person scandal. This, as I said in a previous thread, this was/ is a gigantic operation tied to dirty money, murder, hacked elections, lying, stealing, etc. Folks, there is no doubt in my mind this will be the scandal of my lifetime.

This is a must see video from start to finish.

 

Six people connected to Trump and Russia are being investigated. This is going to be very interesting.

 

You think future movie makers will make biopics about current day Russia haters as they did about the McCarthyists in the 50's? I hope so it'd be fun to watch.

 

What about all the "suicides" by about 40 people that crossed the Clinton's!!!!!

 

To anybody born after 1974 (and Watergate), this current situation with Trump/Russia is obviously the biggest scandal.

We still have a lot of "drip-drip-drip" to come.

The only question is whether Trump will be forced out.

 

Just the tip of the Russian Iceberg. Apparently it has also been confirmed by expert handwriting analysis that President Trump has a very aggressive signature!

 

I have my doubts? With so many players, it's difficult to say which direction it will go? I think we can certainly conclude thus far though, there were/are lots of players buzzing around this hornets nest.

 

Does kind of fit the theory that's it's Democrats who are actually in cahoots with Putin. Look at all the clinton enemies that just sort of die.

 

Oil.
The US is minimally interested in any country that doesn't produce and export significant amounts of oil. Any other military presence is just strategic location. Oil is an extremely important thing to economic growth and stability. Maintaining our power means overseeing oil production, prices, and distribution. Having the influence to do those things secures our power. We can crash countries by cutting off oil or wildly jacking up prices. We can convince countries to comply. We can use it in many ways to our advantage.
It is strategy that keepsbthe US on top. I find it absolutely comical that people think we aim to be liked and nice. We aim to be safe, rich, and powerful.

 

Really? Interesting! Tell us more.

 

Americans hated Russians til the Berlin wall came down. Watch any American 80's movies with bad guys...Always Russian.
The really interesting thing that so many dont realize because they didn't live through it, is that united national hate for Russia went away almost overnight when Reagan and Gorbachev shook hands. Media completely did a 180 representing Russia... I was born in 76 and I vividly remember.
Presently Americans don't hate Russia at all. But we sure hate some Muslims and don't care if Russia burns Syria to the ground or if Israel wipes out Palestine.

 

I am confused how so many people are so sure about something that do not have all the facts.

One side is saying Trump is going down for this. The other Obama/Clinton is.

The fact is something very unseemly is happening and a threat to the Republic.

It is either Obama actively used his office in an attempt to subvert a political rival illegally or there is and was collusion between Trumps administration and the Russian for nefarious reasons.

Which means an independent investigation needs to be conducted.

This is should no longer be a partisan issue after the POTUS made the accusation Obama ordered illegal wire tapping and for employees of the government to actively resist him with false/misleading leaks about Russia. Actually it should not have been a partisan issue prior either, but both sides now have someone to investigate.

Investigating either Obama or Trump should lead to the answers.

If Obama is investigated it will answer:

1. Why the warrant was given? Was it because of pressure from the Obama administration in an attempt to undermine a political opponent and not national security?

2.Why Obama felt the need to try to disseminate intel to as many people as possible to help insure it not be destroyed or buried? Was it done because of a threat to the country or his political agenda?

Republicans and Democrats should both be pushing for an investigation. These are very serious accusations being thrown around by both parties and the public deserves answers.

 

Haha. Russia has become a major oil contender folks. The US will be there no mattervwhat party is in power just like we have been in the Middle East.

 

Based on that conclusion, you sound like a co-conspirator yourself? If you know all this has been about oil and you've been quiet about it up until now, then do we understand you correctly? That you are okay with the Trump administration lying to the country about being involved with Russia, and that people are being murdered or have gone missing during this election season due to Trump's involvement with Russia? Are you okay with Russia hacking our election for the sake of oil, just so Trump could advance our interests with that oil? Just curious? By the rhetoric, it appears you really could care less what the Trump administration does,or has done in the past to hijack our own Constitution, our laws, our values, and the very principles of our Democracy, for the sake of oil?

 

It is almost if what leaders of countries say, do, policies and agenda can influence the people in their country.

Much of the mistrust and hate in the world is driven by people in power. Most people I have met in my travels tend not to have problems with people unless it is officially advocated by their leaders.

 

The first set of questions should be, why all the lying by Trump and others associated with him as to their connections with Russia? The lying is what we already have established? Answering those "why" questions could give us even more answers as to the "why" people associated around Putin's circle are either getting murdered, missing, or have gone into hiding during this particular election cycle?

Also, try and use a little critical thinking here with some of your questions you are asking, such as "why the warrant was given". The answer should be pretty simple if you think about it. Obviously some one figured out what was going on, yet, who was the one who initially caused Flynn to step down? That's right, Trump? If Trump wants to blame Obama, then why is Trump so eager to get rid of Flynn after only 24 days? If all this intel was coming from Obama who initiated the warrant, then why didn't trump go first to Obama about it, instead of firing Flynn? It just becomes a simple matter of logical deductive reasoning at this point. You shouldn't have to ask why the warrant was given. Trump already helped us understand the "why".

 

First, the US is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy so that pretty much tells me you are ignorant regarding American government.
Do a little research and get back to me on how long the US military has been present in the Middle East....you know, the largest oil producing region on earth.... Way before 9/11 and continuously regardless of yhe party in charge. I mean, how much military presence have we had in countries that aren't oil related the past 30 years+?
Control of oil flow is vital to our power, wealth, and security. We aren't the global superpower because we play nice or fair. We are strategic and concerned with our well being first.
We aren't interested in being the congeniality queen.
I wanna stay on top. I want peace on my soil. I want to be the superpower. Whatever it takes to do so is fine with me.
Don't ever talk about US politics and refer to my country as a Democracy. Learn the difference and why it is important.

 

What absolute garbage where did you get that from the National Enquirer or MSNBC? Oh I apologize it was MSNBC that got it from the National Enquirer and you got it from MSNBC. It's not a puzzle if you're only imagining the pieces. If you want a real scandal re-visit the last eight years of the Obama administration there were so many we lost count.

 

I know this much: if the Trump/Russia "scandal" had any actual meat on the bone, it damn sure would have come to light by now. Doesn't that make sense?

Same with the wiretapping that we're learning about. Imagine, if you will, the uproar that would have ensued had the Bush 43 Administration requested and ordered the wiretapping (for whatever reason) of Candidate Obama's residence in 2008. You people would have demanded Bush's head on a platter!

I suspect you'll be quite eager to rush to your failed Messiah's defense on this matter though....which is expected. Par for your course.


And actually, I do care -- I care about this country.

However, I don't give one half of a rat's fat a$$ about overly-sensitive, Trump-hating, emotion-driven vitriol aimed only at disrupting our President's efforts to get this country back on track.

No - we weren't on track. Save it. Objective metrics and a realistic look at the true state of our Union did not indicate a world power ascending. They actually indicated exactly the opposite.

If your hatred for President Trump gives you some kind of catharsis for losing the election - so be it. I guess this forum is a better place to vent that than acting like the no-information rioters and looters out in the streets protesting anything and everything that doesn't continue our left-turn trip to Libville.

I am not in the habit of defending anyone's dishonesty, but I have to ask if you were this apoplectic and hypocritically indignant when Obama stood in front of the American people and lied?

How about Bill and Hillary Clinton (two rotten peas in a pod) when they lied?

You're undoubtedly going to ask "What did they lie about?" Well, I'm also not in the habit of giving such elementary answers to a question that a coherent fifth grader could likely answer....so yeah - I'm pretty sure you know what they lied about.


President Trump is going to do his level best to undo the mess he was handed. We have a country that is in a foggy state of malaise and is so deeply divided, it will take a miracle to rescue it. We can only hope for a reversal of the general condition of outright partisanship and class warfare over which Obama presided...and for which he - and he alone - is responsible.

President Obama actively participated in the outright assault on our police officers and sided with the BLM protesters who called for officers to be killed while they parroted repeatedly that blatantly false narrative of "Hands up - don't shoot!"

He never missed an opportunity to tweet out his thoughts on each and every police shooting in which a black man was shot -- thoughts that were ultimately and repeatedly proven ill-conceived and WRONG! Yet when President Trump tweets defending himself from scurrilous lies and distortions, somehow he's likened to Hitler.

I assure you - I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Trump acolyte. No how - no way. I am, however, willing to give the man time to do everything in his power to true our ship and right our course.

He's not perfect...in fact, he is quite flawed. He was not a politician. He was a businessman who was never in a position in which he had to play the games politicians play. He never had to simply tell his voting block what they wanted to hear in order to get their votes. That's what all politicians do. Instead of castigating President Trump, I would think his actions would be a breath of fresh air!

The fact that he is an unconventional President has "establishment" politicians on both sides of the aisle chasing their tails to try and keep up with him. GOOD! They've got a good dose of that coming to them! ALL OF THEM!

Do you think things have been going well in our country the past couple of decades? If so, I suggest paying a little less intensely scrutinizing attention to President Trump's flaws....

....and a little more to the flaws in your own character and those of our previous leaders that led you to incorrectly believe that things have suddenly gone straight to hell since President Trump was elected.

 

Thanks, you confirmed my suspicions. You are a co-conspirator in this travesty who has no interest in a "Democracy", which in fact we are supposed to have." Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically." In the context of this debate, that is what I meant, that you confirmed to us all you obviously have no interest in. A majority rule, which in the case of this particular election may have very well been hijacked, while you just admitted to us all you could care less about. Your position is oil, wealth, and power at all costs, no matter how corrupt it maybe. You have laid to rest all of our suspicions. I do appreciate your honesty though. It does however bring back flashbacks of 2003, when we lied about invading Saddam Hussein because he had all these WMD's, and how Bush and Cheney worked so hard to make Zarqawi the scapegoat for making the case for war; http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-secret-history-of-isis/, when it was really all about oil. You are right. It is all about oil, except that folks in this country like you could care less who we step on to get it. And that nasty attitude has permeated into the very fabric of this country, where corruption now rules with the election of a fake president, who at all costs wants see that your wishes are fulfilled.

 

We choose our leadership democratically. The inclusivity and security of our democracy is key to our existence.

The fact that we are organized as a republic composed of states is a different issue.

Our legitimate direction on oil is that there is an open world wide market - not that we "control oil flow".

 

The Trump campaign's connection to Russia came out during the campaign, including the firing of Trump's campaign manager. And, it has continued since as we've seen a pattern of lies that even brought down Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor and now includes the lies of Sessions, Trump's AG. We saw these people confirmed over justifications that included the Trump administration's refusal to carry out normal vetting.

So far, there has been zero evidence of wire tapping, so ... NO, you can NOT discuss that as if it actually happened.

 

I want to be the superpower. Whatever it takes to do so is fine with me.

The cynical nature of that statement is just....chilling

 

Contains No News.

 

Except it has come to light. The lies are real, and they have been proven, right now.

And what have you learned of the wiretapping that we don't know about?

I suspect I have nothing to suspect about "my Messiah" because I know nothing of that that you obviously do. So please fill us in?

Good, then maybe this would be a good time for some on the Right to start, because ever since the election, they have given the rest of us the impression they could care less.

Is that code for not wanting to know what the truth is?

I recall an illegal election by Trump that has already been proven. Voter suppression, closing 868 polls in the south, and cross check defined a cheating election.

I have no interest in cowardly weak off topic pivots that have nothing to do with this thread.

You are growing even weaker with each passing statement.

Lol! Yea okay! By the way, did you hear what they talked about at that private Republican dinner party the night of Obama's inauguration? Um, I think it had something to do with hijacking his presidency and saying no to every proposal during a time when Republicans had just finished destroying the economy themselves. Can you imagine that? And you want to talk about partisanship? That's a good one.

Your proof that Obama called for the killing of officers?

More off topic weakness. You really are showing it now.

The difference being,Trump's lies are easily proven to be lies.

I'm not interested in pandering to a misogynist, narcissist, cheating, stealing, lying, (*)(*)(*), by giving him a chance to put us on the right course. I have more self-respect for myself and my country to entertain and support such a monster. Supporting Trump would set a bar so low for me, that I could never forgive myself for such a disgusting decision.

He is a disgusting human being who comes at you from all fronts..