Trump's Travel Ban is Constitutional

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  1. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pretty much sums it up.
     
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  2. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When a judge makes a conscious decision to toss away ethics and use their position for political games, and in the process endangers the people of a country, they provide a good reason for congress to act immediately (but I doubt they have the spine). The judges don't even have to be obeyed. Lincoln defied the courts, Truman defied Congress. I don't think Trump will go that far, but the judges are toast, all the same.
     
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    No, there isn't a double exception. Let me say that again, section 212 grants the president a general power to exclude certain immigrants, however section 202 limits those powers, and specifically refers these limitations to the descriptions listed in section 101, 201, and 203, but there is no exception made to make section 212 overrule sections 202 . In other words, sections 202 sets the exceptions for section 212, NOT the other way around. The claim that section 212 is exempt from the limitations of section 202 is a completely made up detail on your part. Interpreting section 202 as having no impact on section 212 would in effect mean that section 202 was intended to have no restrictions at all.. which is obviously not true, because section 212 was added in 1952 and section 202 in 1965. Section 202 is the updated context of the law described in section 212, not the other way around

    The 1965 update was written by Ted Kennedy, who said its purpose was to “eliminate the national-origins system, which was conceived in a period of bigotry and reaffirmed in the McCarthy era”

    and finally, president Johnson's signing statement reads


    "This bill says simply that from this day forth those wishing to immigrate to America shall be admitted on the basis of their skills and their close relationship to those already here. … The fairness of this standard is so self-evident that we may well wonder that it has not always been applied. Yet the fact is that for over four decades the immigration policy of the United States has been twisted and has been distorted by the harsh injustice of the national origins quota system.

    Under that system the ability of new immigrants to come to America depended upon the country of their birth. Only 3 countries were allowed to supply 70 percent of all the immigrants. Families were kept apart because a husband or a wife or a child had been born in the wrong place. Men of needed skill and talent were denied entrance because they came from southern or eastern Europe or from one of the developing continents. This system violated the basic principle of American democracy—the principle that values and rewards each man on the basis of his merit as a man. Today, with my signature, this system is abolished"

    enough said
     
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  4. ColdwarVet

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    Everyone knows that you are right OP. Just that the left wants to test all limits with their BS
     
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    Congress does not have greater power than the courts you need to Civics 101 class
     
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    You need a Civics 101 class
     
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    OP this is one that will test your patience mostly! LOL

    Kat, what you need is an English 101 class
     
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    You still need a Civics 101 class
     
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    Was there something you wanted to say? I mean apart from trolling?
     
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    katzgar Banned

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    I already said it you need to try and keep up
     
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    Just the left and every single federal court that has made a ruling on the law,..
     
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    The idea that the ban on Muslims is going to make us any safer is absurd if the point was to make us safer Saudis would be banned
     
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    we'll see what SCOTUS say's
     
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    And you need to say something other than trashing other people. State YOUR opinion and let them trash you.
     
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    We already know what the supreme court ruling would be, hence why the administration gave up on taking the case to the supreme court
     
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    Already did that try to keep up
     
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    Little people/little minds
     
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    I know I'm concerned about why it's so difficult to keep up
     
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    Yeah, sure
     
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    You'll get better with time
     
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    Should you actually care about keeping up all you have to do is go up to the threat and read the posts
     
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    The threat?

    Am I in danger from you?
     
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    Lol...Nobody has unfettered power in the US and the judiciary is an independent branch of government, not lapdogs for an idiot and his deplorables.
    If you don't like that, move to Russia or some other third world regime with a tinhorn dictator at the helm.
    Your great orange hope will never get to be dictator in the US, no matter how much you people would like it to happen.
     
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    It's not really a matter of opinion, issuing a travel ban based on religion is unconstitutional under the establishment clause of the 1st amendment, and issuing a ban on immigration visas based on nationality, residence, or country of origin is illegal under the immigration law established in 1965

    "no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence"

    The only case for the legality of the travel ban is if you 1. prove the opposite of what Rudy Giuliani already admitted, and that this travel ban was not motivated by the prior plan to establish a ban on a religion, and 2. establish a proper exception for recipients of immigration visas.
     
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    Do you have something to contribute or you just trolling
     

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