Abortion = Murder

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Johnathon Jaskson, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    A fertilized egg doesn't become a person on its own at all. We can't even replicate what the mother's body does yet. In fact it wouldn't be much harder to make any cell into a person, because inducing totipotency would be the easy part. The mind is what makes the person, and the mind is not there until later in pregnancy. That's all there is to it. Abortion is morally neutral.
     
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    When did this conversation change to "Man made Global Warming?"
     
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    It didn't.
     
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    Irrelevant to the point. A sperm cell will never on its own become anything other than a sperm cell. Just like an arm will always be an arm, it will not grow into a full human being. The fertilized egg will develop into a fully formed and functioning person.
     
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    You miss - or deny - the point. The fertilized egg will develop into a person. The sperm or egg on its own will not. That's the natural order of biology, and that's what differentiates the sperm and egg from the fertilized egg.
     
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    Utterly inane non sequitur response!
     
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    Not in the least irrelevant when the statistics show that miscarriages occur in 1 out of every 4 pregnancies.

    About half of all miscarriages are due to chromosomal abnormalities which means that the fetus would never have become a "fully formed and functioning person".

    Speaking of which there are still plenty of children born with abnormalities that prevent them from becoming a "fully formed and functioning person".

    And yet you demand that these abnormal fetuses be granted full constitutional rights even though they will never survive the pregnancy.

    What gives you the right to demand that women must risk their own lives and health for something that won't survive anyway?

    Why don't you care about the lives of the women themselves?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Assumes factoids not in evidence.
     
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    Irrelevant.

    A sperm, an egg, an arm, will never on their own develop into a complete human being. That's why an arm can be amputated and nobody complains that a human being was killed, why a condom with spermicide can be used and nobody complains that a human being was killed, or a woman can have her period and nobody complains that a human was killed.

    Your attempts at recovering your argument and obfuscation are a great big fail.
     
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    So God is guilty of murder?
     
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    LOL...You libs are so very predictable. Do you people even understand the concept of a joke?

    ...or at least sarcasm?
     
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    You'd think that the republicans would support abortions.

    Had it been legal 70+ years ago, D.Trump may not have even been born. <Talk about unwanted pregnancy>


    Nevertheless, When we debate the legitimacy of abortions, what is the perspective of rape victims giving birth to a resulting child?

    It is unfortunate. They are ultimately the real casualties of this debate. I don't think anyone else is really deeply affected.


    Solution? Lets have all those rapists build the wall for us (pun intended). And they cant come in anymore.
     
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    I suggest you do more research if you think only Mexicans rape.

    As to giving birth to a rapist's child Anti-Choicers are divided.
    Some think she should be forced to have it and some, the real hypocrites, say she should have the right to abort it(they don't think a rapist's fetus is "precious life" only fetuses that came about through consensual sex are "precious life"). It's their way of punishing women for having consensual sex.
     
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    Your abject failure to address any of the facts provided proves that you don't have a valid basis for your allegation.
     
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    What indication did you provide that you were joking and/or being sarcastic?
     
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    Again, there is no "on its own" about it. It is simply the next step in the process and it is neither inevitable nor simple. Even if it was, the point seems irrelevant. Is that some kind of appeal to nature? Or are you trying to say the potential and actual are equivalent?
     
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    Go back and read the stream of posts.
     
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    The abortion debate continues. And continues. And continues.

    I'd like to ask a basic question. What specific provisions of Roe v Wade do you object to? (Please provide a link to something to confirm the validity of any provision as an actual component of Roe v Wade.)
     
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    There's a saying in Brazil, that as soon as there is a twelve-year-old virgin in Rio, the statue of Jesus will clap.
     
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    And you find that bit of myth relevant to what ?
     
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    The big fail is yours. A zygote does not "develop" into a human. The DNA in the zygote contains the information for creation of a human. The zygote is gone after the first mitotic division. The DNA in the resulting daughter cells can go on to create 2 or 3 or more humans. At this stage - there are no cells that will be part of some human.

    Later on - once the blastocyst has formed - the DNA in the totipotent cells will start creating cells that could be said to develop into a human.
     
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