Is Trumps Wall Feasible & Will It Help Our Society As Well As Help Protect America & Her Interests?

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  1. J.W.

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    We're talking about a tunnel that's about 300-600 feet wide 30-50 feet tall & about 600 feet long, roughly, 1.5-2 football field wide, 2 football fields long. That's not going to do too much to the river or an ecosystem for that small of a splotch that the river will flow right through.

    All kinds of nasties could be opened with seizing, I'm positive, just wishful thinking they'll give it up when paid for it & that wouldn't be required.

    As far as my numbers, all were found searching Google reading articles describing the estimated current Mexican immigrants as well as estimated border crossings per year.

    Simply find the average estimate for the numbers entering illegally yearly, staying or caught, then compare that to total immigrants & those of other nationalities for the quoted average. I based all of my numbers off the averages of usually 3-4 different reputable sources.

    I don't feel like looking up and reading 30-40 web pages and articles again to compile & link it for you. It's all information I've found the last week or two before compiling this online, so I'm certain with an open mind to facts, you can too. If I'm wrong, please show me & I'll update my material accordingly in the future.

    I've done plenty of "basic" research, or I wouldn't have been able to compile as much information as I have. I don't think my first post is basic information or comprehension of facts I've found, at least.
     
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    I have no doubt it will be built but we're talking the government here. My concerns are quality it should be durable enough to stand for at least a hundred years or becomes irrelevant. Can it be done with minimal cost overruns. I believe that we can make Mexico pay for some of it by taxing the billions that exit the US in the form of money transfers. I'm so sick of hearing it can't be done. These are the same folks who say it's impossible to deport 11 million illegals but believe they can confiscate 350 million guns. I don't think there's really an argument about the cost/benefit ratio the money that could be saved by eliminating the burden of illegal immigration might pay for the wall. It absolutely needs to be done. Just another way toward getting our country back.
     
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    Yeah, that's why for my calculations and design I used concrete, it has the lifespan/durability & cost I'd think they'd be looking for & local dirt & rock could be added during mixing to help blend.

    Metal paneling would be far too costly & could wear out, or just be stripped and stolen relatively easily. It would only benefit the people that mine, make & sell the metals.

    Someone would have a real rough time trying to steal & damage 100+ ton chunks of rock.
     
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    I agree concrete is certainly durable but also cost effective. Setting the footings down to say 50 feet would pretty much eliminate tunneling.
     
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    Possibly, I think the numbers said going down to 50 foot would decrease likelihood of tunneling by another 30-40%, similar to if the wall was 50 foot high instead of 30. Going lower on base could always be added in later down the line if that's what was wanted. But it would increase equipment, time & material costs obviously. I just wanted it deep enough to deter tunneling but enough to support the top. If they want to tunnel, doesn't really matter how deep you go & they could just cut or blow through anyways. Makes it a lot harder on you due to going several thousand miles. My goal starting out was under two years & I figured 30 foot with the addition of infrared cameras and seismic sensors would allow enough time for anyone to get to whomever was going under. Just added up seismic sensors, assuming one every 30 feet, it's only $17,195,200 to $34,390,400 so not too bad anyways, but does add to my security group substantially. Side note, 343,904 seismic sensors would probably make the wall one of the best seismic sensors in the world?
     
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    The wall.... The only things democrats don't want to spend infrastructure money on, yet one of the most vital.

    In my opinion the wall just shows our commitment to protecting our borders. Nothing more, nothing less. China has a wall, Israel, and hell even mexico has one on their southern border.

    This stuff is common sense and what the wall insures is that even a radical president wanted to flood the country it'd be hard to do because the technology and infrastructure will be in place.

    Not to mention it will provide jobs. Win-win.
     
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    Lets just build a 100 foot wall around the entire US. Then when global warming hits, we'll be safe. :p

    (Sarcasm)
     
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    youve got a gift. I hope youve taken advantage of it and made yourself a living. Have you read atlas shrugged? You remind me of howard roarke. I hope the President puts a man like you on the job. I knew in my gut this could get done and that its easy enough that it should have been done already. Having seen the inside of various "institutions", i am familiar with walls...and if the government spent a FRACTION of the effort put into those places, we would still have a damn effective wall. Also, your solar panel idea is great! And ignore the "environmental impact" talk. The only migratory animal affected by the wall is the....your smart, you see where im going with this.
     
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    Raytheon is one of the bidders on the project.

    I know darn well that they are not interested in pouring concrete, putting up chain link or pounding steel into the ground.

    While they are known best for their air to ground and air to air weapons technology, they are also known for their heat seeking and detection technology.

    Nothing like border security with a distinct advantage.
     
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    I've put my talents to use in some ways, mostly uplifting others & trying to change the world in ways the past decade or so. I make terrible decisions in my personal life, though. Haha!
     
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    hey me too! Hence those pesky "institutions". In your opinion would you start from one end of the border and build out in that direction or does your multiple crews mean multiple starting points? i also think costs could be saved utilizing border states help in the form of tax money, equipment- highway crews utilize most everything you need- and labor. I think it could be done very fast with the help of existing state entities. Were already funding them as it is.
     
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    Ideally, I'd start one crew from each side of the United States(wall) & reward whoever got to the middle first. But the calculations I did are based on one crew.

    Utilizing state & government crews & vehicles is something I calculated out in another one of these I have & could definitely decrease price as well as make it a lot faster. If I did it that way though, I'd do 4 or more crews, or ideally one per state.

    But that requires organizing a lot more people & a much higher chance of mistakes.
     
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    i thought so. Rough estimate on the timeline of a two crew wall? Roughly 15 months?
     
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    If the stars and lines aligned, under 13.
     
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