Get your FACTS here about Muslims

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry to hear about your PTSD.

    I lived / was stationed in Laos with occasional forays into N. Viet Nam during the Viet Nam War & can strongly empathize with your PTSD only that term wasn't used back then.
    Consider yourself lucky to have been spared the abuse of being called a "Baby Killer" etc upon returning home.

    It was after Laos that I went to the Mid East in 1973 partly as a distraction from the anti Viet Nam Veteran phenomenon most all Vet.s faced upon returning to the U.S.

    I also had / have a strong interest in archeology and was lucky enough to see many of the archeological wonders throughout Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Iran etc before they were destroyed.

    I wonder why threads like this are created so that ignorant & clueless anti Islamic bigots can vent their xenophobic spleens.

    How long to you think a thread: "Get your FACTS here about Jews" would last before the Mod.s shut it down for being Anti Semitic?

    Best wishes on your nightmares etc. I wish I could say that they go away after a few decades but I'm afraid they do not.
     
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    MORE BIGOTRY FROM 'HATE GROUP' MISOGYNISTS, ISLAMOPHOBES & 'LEGITIMATE RAPE' PROPONENTS "


    And I implore readers to research the FRC hate group employed by this Poster to engender anti Islamic bigotry.

    "Values" Voter Summit: Of Train Wrecks and Frankenstein's Monsters”
    http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/m...ecks-and-frankensteins-monsters?page=entire,0

    EXCERPT “the FRC is a virtual(*)Cirque du Soleil(*)of horrendous anti-gay, Islamophobic, fundamentalist Christian and unconstitutional lobbying.

    It’s not for nothing that the Southern Poverty Law Center has called the FRC a “hate group.”

    In addition to equating homosexuality with pedophilia, the FRC has defended world-class cretin Congressman Todd Akin’s stupefying misogyny exemplified by his(*)notorious suggestion(*)that so-called “legitimate rape” exists.(*)

    More feared than respected among conservatives, the FRC has become a ghastly and grotesque edifice of Dominionism within American politics. In this crucial election year, the FRC conference is most assuredly something to watch, in the same manner as one would observe a train wreck in slow motion.

    However, the FRC’s dehumanization campaign isn’t isolated to our American Muslim brothers and sisters alone. LGBTQ communities, religious minorities, atheists, agnostics, and freethinkers, women, and ultimately, all mainline or heterodox Christians have been the targets of FRC’s fervent hatred campaigns.

    All Americans should respond with the utmost constitutionalist vigilance to those who masquerade hatred and exclusivist religious sectarianism in the disingenuous garb of “family values” or “traditionalism.” ”CONTINUED


    If you're going to "learn" about Muslims from "Robert's" dear FRC, why not "learn" about African Americans from the KKK?
     
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    Sorry to hear about your war experiences--and I can respect the fact that you want to advocate for people that have been friendly toward you, even though I suspect, if you were able to travel freely by yourself in Muslim countries, you are probably a male.

    Not all of us who are wary of Islam have issues with individual Muslims; I, too, find most of them likeable, and IMO Islam has many good points to it. Unfortunately, there is rot in the bottom of the barrel because Mohammed did and then excused evil things, which from time to time are used to support horrendous behaviors on religious grounds. To make it worse, Muslims are not allowed to criticize Mohammed.

    Mohammed's teachings at the core are teachings of political dominance, not religion. It is racist and destructive--the true "wolf in sheep's clothing" Christ warned about.
     
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    Muslims are leaving their respective countries to avoid Sharia law.

    Here is an interview of Ex-Muslim Muhammad Syed:

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2017/01/bring-mandate-for-dhs-to-drain-swamp.html#more

    What I can't understand, why do they come to our countries and still insist of running around in their black cloaks, building moshees everywhere and worship Mohamed?
    I guess they are so thoroughly indoctrinated, there is no room left for anything sensible. It will take hundreds of years to enlighten them.
     
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    Thanks for your empathy.

    Yes, I am male & I do feel a need to speak up for a culture whose members were not just friendly but overwhelmingly generous and extremely hospitable to me.......wouldn't you?

    Most Americans are either uninformed or professionally misinformed about the average Muslim by America's pro Israel Major Media [1], [2] and pitifully unaware of what the West has done to innocent Muslims just in recent times[3]

    I have traveled somewhat extensively throughout the world, (S.E. Asia, the Caribbean, Europe, the Balkans, the Islamic world etc) & usually by very humble means such as hitch hiking. There are few better litmus tests about the generosity of a culture than hitch hiking.

    What the recently spawned army of Islamophobes seems unable to grasp is that there was no anti Western / anti American Muslim sentiment until the US began its unconditional support of the terrorist founded Zionist Colony that was later to become Israel. Fervent Zionists have done more damage to the US than Muslims in spite of unconditional support for the Zionist Colony in Palestine

    I cannot express that sentiment any better than the following 2 Quotes:

    “There was not a single act of Arab terrorism against Americans before 1968, when the U.S. became the chief supplier of military equipment and economic aid to Israel.”

    "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,


    You expressed the sentiment that: " It (Islam) is racist and destructive"
    . Such may be the case when judged through the eyes of another culture.

    When facing up to what the US has been doing throughout the Islamic world[3], I think that Muslims would be justified in saying the same thing about Christians.

    So, how are we to relate to the Islamic world when the West has been over THERE tormenting them for over a century and the so-called "War on Terror' (aka "War on Islam") shows no promise to be any more than the abysmal failure it is.

    Whether xenophobic members of Western society like it or not, there are 1.7 billion Muslims throughout the world and tormenting them further will only lead to more bloodshed. If America continues to let Zionist lobbies drive our martial M.E. Policy [4] only more innocent people will die as a result.

    No matter what your opinion of Islam may be, the only way to break the ascending cycle of violence is to initiate an even handed & equitable Mid East Foreign Policy and stop our futile, Zionist driven War on Islam.
    "We" can neither kill them all nor should we continue trying without expecting even more futile & escalating bloodshed on both sides.

    Thanks, again





    [1] “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.Vhb3Zc02XUR



    [2] “DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA”
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html
    EXCERPTAccording to Grant F. Smith, director of IRmep, "It is frightening how easily some in the American news media surrendered to a foreign public relations campaign that spent the 2010 equivalent of $36 million over two years. Time has proven most of the planted content to be misleading, if not dangerous. (*)These historical documents hold many important lessons for Americans who have long needed—but rarely received—straight reporting on key Middle East issues."



    [3] “The crime of making Americans aware of their own history”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...-making-americans-aware-of-their-own-history/

    EXCERPT “ Is history getting too close for comfort for the fragile little American heart and mind?

    Their schools and their favorite media have done an excellent job of keeping them ignorant of what their favorite country has done to the rest of the world, but lately some discomforting points of view have managed to find their way into this well-defended American consciousness.

    Then came the Islamic cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen, who for some time had been blaming US foreign policy in the Middle East as the cause of anti-American hatred and terrorist acts. So we killed him.
    Ron Paul and Tony Bennett can count themselves lucky.

    What, then, is the basis of all this? What has the United States actually been doing in the Middle East in the recent past?
    • the shooting down of two Libyan planes in 1981
    • the bombing of Lebanon in 1983 and 1984
    • the bombing of Libya in 1986
    • the bombing and sinking of an Iranian ship in 1987
    • the shooting down of an Iranian passenger plane in 1988
    • the shooting down of two more Libyan planes in 1989
    • the massive bombing of the Iraqi people in 1991
    • the continuing bombings and draconian sanctions against Iraq for the next 12 years
    • the bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998
    • the habitual support of Israel despite the routine devastation and torture it inflicts upon the Palestinian people
    • the habitual condemnation of Palestinian resistance to this
    • the abduction of “suspected terrorists” from Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Albania, who were then taken to places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, where they were tortured
    • the large military and hi-tech presence in Islam’s holiest land, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf region
    • the support of numerous undemocratic, authoritarian Middle East governments from the Shah of Iran to Mubarak of Egypt to the Saudi royal family
    • the invasion, bombing and occupation of Afghanistan, 2001 to the present, and Iraq, 2003 to the present
    • the bombings and continuous firing of missiles to assassinate individuals in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya during the period of 2006-2011

    It can’t be repeated or emphasized enough. The biggest lie of the “war on terrorism”, although weakening, is that the targets of America’s attacks have an irrational hatred of the United States and its way of life, based on religious and cultural misunderstandings and envy.

    The large body of evidence to the contrary includes a 2004 report from the Defense Science Board, “a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense.” The report states:

    Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies.

    The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states.
    Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy."CONTINUED


    [4] “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03
     
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    IMO the Palestinian issue is just an excuse for actions designed to spread Islam even further. The fact that it has already expanded as far as it has and continues to be periodically intimidating and terrorist in cultures other than ours, even Buddhist ones (where presently and historically they have especially relished the destruction of ancient Buddhist statues, etc) shows that the religious leaders of fundamentalist Islam are indeed wolves in sheeps' clothing.

    Without the close cooperation and involvement of the West, IMO the widely touted "1.7 billion" figure is manageable as long as we don't allow too many Muslims to move to the US. Their religious precepts work against science and technology. I am aware they will never give up. Their religion is used to expand their territory, and Mohammed designed it to be that way. That does not mean we have to knuckle under to it.

    Israel turned a barren desert area into a livable oasis, and now the Palestinians, who did little to improve the land save for their date orchards, want it. When they had a chance for amicable relations with the Israelis they voted for a terrorist organization to represent them instead. They have chosen their path, and Israel has responded accordingly.

    If the rest of the Mideast is so hospitable, why aren't they taking the Palestinians in?
     
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    Firstly, I want to thank you for both your civility & humility which is refreshing. I believe that it is possible & preferable to differ in opinions & do so without enmity.

    It should come as no surprise that I see things differently and have differed with many who feel a malevolence from the Islamic World.

    Because I am pressed for time today, I can only address 2 of what I feel are your misconceptions.

    1. "IMO the Palestinian issue is just an excuse for actions designed to spread Islam even further."

    T.E. Lawrence expressed well the degree to which the West / British colonial Powers betrayed the Arabs who were promised Palestine under the McMahon Agreement which predated the zionist orchestrated Balfour Declarations.

    Please note that the Arabs had inhabited a very productive Palestine long before foreign Zionists began their seizing of Arab land.


    “The McMahon Agreement”
    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mcmahon.htm

    EXCERPT “The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land."CONTINUED


    AND


    “Persecution of Palestinians”
    http://www.ccun.org/Editorials/2007/October articles/Persecution of Palestinians.htm

    EXCERPT: “ Labeling Palestinians as "Terrorists" Perpetuates Persecuting them by the Israeli Occupiers and their Supporters
    1. Who is the real terrorist, the invading Israeli occupiers, or the invaded Palestinians under the most brutal and longest foreign occupation in recent history?

    a) History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Main Events

    - 1897: The first World Zionist Conference headed by Hirzel, decides to usurp Palestine from its inhabitants and give it to Zionists.

    - 1917: British forces occupied Palestine. The infamous British foreign minister, Balfour, promised Zionist Rotschild British help to give Palestine to Zionists. This has become known as the Balfour Declaration.

    - 1947: The UN General Assembly passes Resolution 181 to partition Palestine, giving Zionists 56% of Palestine, though they only possessed about 5% of the lands, and despite the fact they were half a million while there were 1.3 million Palestinians."CONTINUED



    2. Re: "Israel turned a barren desert area into a livable oasis,"
    The notion that Palestine was a barren wasteland is simply more Zionist propaganda as the detailed British Census & Survey of Palestine outlines how productive Palestine was long before the GERMANS " made the desert bloom"[1], [2] so that Zionist Terrorist Gangs were free to destroy Palestinian crops, Olive Groves & massacre thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians with W. German weaponry.

    For example:

    “They used to enter houses and kill women and children indiscriminately”: Deir Yasin Massacre,(*)09.04.1948

    http://avoicefrompalestine.wordpres...-forget-deir-yasin-massacre-09-04-1948/#_ftn3

    "A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor (Deputy Inspector General Richard Catling, who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him.

    He says that the “mopping up” had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives.

    Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers.

    Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.

    Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive.

    52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

    Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About 60 other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated.

    British interrogating officer, Deputy Inspector General Richard Catling, confirmed that:

    “The recording of statements is hampered also by the hysterical state of the women who often break down many times whilst the statement is being recorded.

    There is, however, no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews.

    Many young schoolgirls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested.

    One story is current concerning a case in which a young girl was literally torn in two.

    Many infants were also butchered and killed.

    I also saw one old woman … who had been severely beaten about the head with rifle butts.

    Women had bracelets torn from their arms and rings from their fingers and parts of some of the women’s ears were severed in order to remove earrings.”CONTINUED

    The example above is only one of countless committed by the Nazi funded & trained Haganah[3] etc

    As you can see, Western Powers have provoked much of the Islamic "Terror" / Retaliation as far back as 100 + years

    I think that reviewing the 2 quotes I've cited (below) and the source :“The crime of making Americans aware of their own history”
    http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/9861-defying-americas-unhistory.html you'll better understand why Islamic retaliation was just a matter of time


    “There was not a single act of Arab terrorism against Americans before 1968, when the U.S. became the chief supplier of military equipment and economic aid to Israel.”

    "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,

    I regret that I haven't the time to more fully respond to all of your points.


    Thanks


    [1] “West Germany's Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry”
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p243_Weber.html

    EXCERPT " Nahum Goldmann World Jewish Congress, and from 1956 to 1958, he was also president of the World Zionist Organization:
    Nahum Goldmann explained in his autobiography:
    “I do not know what economic dangers might have threatened Israel at critical moments if it had not been for German supplies. Railways and telephones, dock installations and irrigation plants, whole areas of industry and agriculture, would not be where they are today without the reparations from Germany.

    .......every train in Israel is German, the ships are German, as well as the electricity,
    It is difficult to exaggerate the impact of the program: the five power plants built and installed by West Germany between 1953 and 1956 quadrupled Israel's electric-power-generating capacity.

    West Germans laid 280 kilometers of giant pipelines (2.25 and 2.5 meters in diameter) for the irrigation of the Negev (which certainly helped to "make the desert bloom"). The Zionist state acquired 65 German- built ships, including four passenger vessels

    That the goods Israel received from Germany were a decisive economic factor in its development is beyond doubt.'"CONTINUED


    [2] “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germanyisrael-relationship/

    EXCERPT.”Reparation funds from the Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry. In 1952,... West Germany agreed to pay three billion Deutschmarks (DM)(*) to Israel directly—a hefty proportion in the form of German goods—and an additional 4.5 million DM to Jewish organizations ....
    The amount paid out .... worldwide is vastly higher, with some estimates as high as $100 billion.(*)

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982. CONTINUED


    [3] “Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army”
    http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html

    EXCERPT “In his 1988 book "Blowback," Christopher Simpson says captured SS records documented a covert agreement between the SS and the Haganah, the forerunner of the Israeli Defense Force.

    "Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany."CONTINUED
     
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    Israel destroyed the Jordan River, the Dead Sea and the water table as well as the aquifers.

    Palestinians live all over the ME.

    Americans are so poorly educated.

    Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001 ...



    https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Victims-Zionist.../0679744754



    At a time when the Middle East has come closer to achieving peace than ever before, eminent Israeli historian Benny Morris explodes the myths cherished by both sides to present an epic history of Zionist-Arab relations over the past 120 years. ... Studded with illuminating portraits
     
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    Thank you for the background information, and your efforts in presenting it. If the atrocities you are delineating were linked to Nazi behaviors I suppose they could be true. Even billionaire Soros, who now likes to use his money to create social unrest for ends of his own, turned in adult Jews to the Nazis as a child. At this point, such old stories are excuses, not reasons, to anyone brought up in a non-Semitic culture.

    During my lifetime all I have heard about is the caging of Palestinians in camps because the rest of the Mideast would not allow them to migrate; the blind attacks of Israel by Palestinian rockets at unpredictable moments; the use of Palestinian schoolchildren as human shields; and now the encouragement of even toddlers to carry around knives and chant "death to Israelis".

    Frankly, that's all I want to know about those people. A populace that will allow its own people to terrorize them and which complacently watches while its families turn their own children into monsters does not make for good neighbors. I am certain the Mideastern fondness for incestuous marriages to keep money in the family also is playing its part in the types of individual being groomed for terrorist activity.

    I remember a time, even after the seven day war, when Israel had more open and compassionate leaders. It's too bad the Palestinians did not take advantage of the opportunities those times presented to them.

    The world moves on, and no matter what the history, most people try to keep moving forward. Christ was murdered by the Jews; many Jews were murdered by the Germans... but despite this Jews now live in peace in most Christian nations. Japan murdered Americans at Pear Harbor, and the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki---but they have now been allies for years. The American Indian tribes were largely dispossessed and often murdered, but somehow are now able to live in peace with their continent's invaders.

    It seems that only the Palestinians are unable to move on. Have the Israelis been letting them down too gently, or are they so fixated on the past that they cannot see what they have become and what they have been doing? Or are they just using the past as an excuse?
     
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    It looks to me as though there are two sides to the water usage issue, including over-drawing of water by some of the Palestinians, and lack of enough cooperation by all parties to plan water projects and usages properly.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?source...a+and+the+water+table+as+well+as+the+aquifers
     
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    I have quite a few comments to which I must (or should) respond so I can only touch on one of your points which is salient to this issue:

    Re: "...all I have heard..." I am careful to read both sides of every story, consider the motive of the source and consider that the truth of an issue lies somewhere in the middle.

    I am especially wary of MSM's version of Mid East Events due to the Zionist domination of so much MSM[1] & pro Israel bias[2] of US Major Media in particular

    Re: "the blind attacks of Israel by Palestinian rockets at unpredictable moments;" Please consider that the actual threat of an Israeli being killed by a Hamas rocket is far, far less than an auto accident[3]

    In all of my posts, so far, I have been able to cite sources that contradict or question many of your observations. the Human Shield" myth is just that Since IDF shoots Palestinian children "for fun"[4], how can a Palestinian child act as a shield?

    “Combating Israel’s Flimsy “Human Shield” Rhetoric”
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/combating-israels-flimsy-human-shield-rhetoric/194724/

    Additionally I can cite sources relating how Israeli's teach their children to hate Palestinians [5]

    Briefly put, the Christian & Muslim Palestinians were in Palestine long before the invasion / immigration of FOREIGN Zionist Terrorist gangs who introduced the letter bomb, car bomb etc.

    How would you feel if your homeland were suddenly invaded & occupied by powerful, foreign Invader / Occupiers & you were herded into an open air shooting gallery for the purpose of experimentation:

    “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population”
    http://www.wrmea.org/2013-september...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html
    EXCERPT “The film highlights the kind of inventions for which Israel has become feted by foreign security services. It pioneered robotic killing machines such as the airborne drones that are now at the heart of the U.S. program of extra-judicial executions in the Middle East.
    The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.”CONTINUED

    I'm afraid I must go at the moment but, regardless of what you have heard there is always another side that you are not likely to hear unless you spend time in the region.

    Thanks, I hope your day is pleasant.




    [1] ““Zionists Control 97% Of World's Media!”
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2009/09/zionists-control-97-of-worlds-media.html
    EXCERPT “ Here is the proof behind the statement "The JEWS control the media." This document was compiled several years ago, at the end of the 1990's.

    Since then, the jews have used their powers in the American Government to break down old laws that prevent media monopoly.

    They have now consolidated even more awesome power over the entire American Media. Through their control of the media, they are able to easily control the social agenda, business markets, and even the Government itself by influencing voters' opinions. And, all this is just the tip of the iceberg.” CONTINUED




    [2]] “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.Vhb3Zc02XUR



    [3] “Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks”
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html

    source Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC).

    EXCERPTS “To begin, Israeli spokespeople frequently remind the world that a million Israeli citizens are within range of Gaza rockets, twelve thousand of which have been fired into Israel in the last twelve years, inflicting thousands of injuries and several dead.
    However, we are rarely told exactly how many people have been killed by these rocket attacks.”
    Throughout the years of rocket attacks into Israel, a total of 26 people have been killed altogether.” CONTINUED


    Operation Cast Lead (December 27, 2008–January 18, 2009) and Operation Pillar of Cloud:
    more than one out of every four deaths occurred during these two operations, which were ostensibly designed to deter rocket attacks.

    For the entire duration of the 2008 Hamas–Israel cease-fire—even after Israel had broken the cease-fire on Nov. 4—not a single person was killed by rocket or mortar fire into Israel.


    “And for an entire year before Operation Pillar of Cloud, not a single Israeli was killed by rocket or mortar
    This disputes the clichéd notion that rocket attacks are “designed to maximize civilian casualties.” Indeed, with such a low fatality rate and with the characteristic imprecision of the weapons, they cannot be expected to inflict a fatality most of the time.

    every year listed, the IDF’s rocket fatalities number is higher than what has been established.
    Jewish Israeli taxi driver was strangled to death by three Palestinians as revenge for the IDF killing of a relative. Outside of that, a 16-year old boy in the Bat Ayin settlement was killed by a lone Palestinian with an axe,

    We can add to the embarrassment by referring to a page about “The Hamas Terror War Against Israel” on the website of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which reproduces both the IDF bar chart and rocket numbers as reported by ITIC—contradictory information, presented together in a single page by the Israeli government, in order to explain “The Hamas Terror War Against Israel.”

    Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC).CONTINUED



    [4] “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/0...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/



    [5] “WHEN ISRAELIS TEACH THEIR KIDS TO HATE”
    http://forward.com/opinion/israel/197866/when-israelis-teach-their-kids-to-hate/

    EXCERPT "It’s a double standard all too common to the conflict.
    We’re told that Palestinian maps in schools often show a unified Palestine between the river and the sea — “how awful!” — yet Israeli maps, more often than Palestinian ones in fact, don’t show the Green Line, and Jews don’t really seem to care.

    We’re told that Palestinians are taught in school that the Jewish historical claims to the land, particularly the Temple Mount, don’t really exist — “how awful!” — yet in a similar tone, many Israeli children learn that “Palestinians” were only recently invented , and Jews don’t really seem to care.

    We’re told that Palestinian textbooks distort history — “how awful!” — yet a recent State Department study found that many Israeli textbooks do too , and Jews don’t really seem to care.

    And now, we have yet another confirmation that Israeli children also learn to glorify and aspire toward violence, and — surprise, surprise — no one really seems to care."CONTINUED
     
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    As soon as I read "Zionist domination", I know that what follows is anti Israeli propaganda.
     
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    No.. its not that.. The Scofield heresy has influenced too many Protestant churches with false doctrine.
     
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    Well, i agree with you that there are many false Christian Churches, but I support Israel because it's Scriptural to do so.
     
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    I support others because they are fellow humans.... and most of the time they are good people.
    When they have proven they are not as they portray, I act accordingly and hold them to their lie, with penalties they understand would occur immediately.....
     
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    bigoted nonsense.

    I know many peaceful and friendly Muslims.

    and many hateful, angry, belligerent Jews & Christians.
     
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    Well, that makes a great example of being angry, bigoted and belligerent. A fine mess you made Ollie.
     
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    Actually, Trump has nothing to do with this.

    It was not all that long ago when Liberal New York City got all up in arms because a group wanted to build a mosque there.
     
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    This video shows the overwhelming issue with Muslim immigrants in France. We (The USA) need to be very careful to not allow the same thing to happen on our shores.
     
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    Here is 1 Supreme Council that seems good.
    http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/un...misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9
     
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    So much detail...so much missing of my main point...you are all holding on to your versions of events--and there are so, so many--but not looking to the future with realistic expectations.

    So; ... several times, for whole years, your rockets didn't go to Israel--and you consider that an exemplary plus. You can see just from that how the Israelis would not want to give such people the strategic advantage of more land, nearer to them.

    In any case, my impressions of the situation are not from recent MSM reports or anywhere else--they are from all I have seen and heard over scores of years, back to at least the 50's when I started to be conscious of such things. It is one of the things that cast a shadow over my own childhood. Even then I could understand how the "Palestinians" were being cooped up in camps rather than being relocated as a political ploy to create further conflict. They were being raised like chickens in coops to be the game pieces for world players and manipulators. You are all tools being used to create conflict, by those that profit in violence and the suffering of others, and you don't see it at all because you have been programmed for vengeance.

    A list of any sort of detail from either side is not going to sway me at this point. I am sorry to say it, but your continuing conflict with the Israelis should be for fair financial compensation to citizens for lost land, so they can afford to relocate. Anything else would be to simply perpetuate the negative and terrorist government the Palestinians so foolishly elected when they still had a chance at a better option.
     
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    http://www.businessinsider.com/these-9-famous-americans-are-all-muslim-2014-10

    If you think I am wasting 18 minutes of my life on some racist, hate-filled garbage? Forget it.

    Clearly, you have a BIG TIME hate on for Muslims...even though you probably know - AT MOST - 1/10,000'th of all of them.

    Anyone who condemns over a million people because of the actions of a few thousand insane people is being absolutely ridiculous.
    To hate over a million people whom you have never met STRICLTY because of their religion is very Nazi-like and INCREDIBLY un-American, IMO.

    BTW - I am independent...I despise both main parties.
     
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    A great collection of polls for the Peanut Gallery here, all about those alleged '99% of Muslims are moderates n stuff' morons like to keep babbling, because they think it sounds good and is, you know, fashionable. I think this site is now targeted as a 'hate site', unlike anti-American, anti-Christian, and left wing antisemitism sites, so if you're posting from your job or something you might want to just wait til you get home to check it out.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

    And whatever you Snowflakes do, never read the Koran, it will make Snowflakes very uncomfortable to know the truth about their pet protected species, and that their 'religion' isn't really a religion, but a violent genocidal political ideology that makes Nazis look like a Quaker sewing circle, and its 'bible' is some genocidal desert bandit and serial killer's Mein Kampf. Your peer group of neurotics will shun you if you dare say anything against the orthodoxy now popular with the left and 'globalist' labor racketeers and money launderers; they don't want to upset their business partners, so you uppity proles and Deplorables have to shut up.
     
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    What a crock of fetid dingos kidneys. I have read both the Qur'an and Mein Kampf and I can tell you which is the more dangerous book.
     

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