White Guilt is ABSURD!

Even if only counting land that Native Americans had by treaties (contracts) with the USA, the value of that land then stolen from them by force has values reaching into the tens of trillions of dollars. For example all of Orando and Tampa all the way to Miami, all of the super wealth Florida Atlantic and Gulf side south of Daytona - as just one example. I am 100% by ancestry one of those people.

Not many of us left. So when should I expect my check for $7 billion dollars for my share? I also want to move into Trump's house because it's on my land. Please write to your Congressman and Senator explaining why I need my check ASAP to benefit the American economy.

That is what you meant by reparations, right? Reparations to Native Americans?

 

We'll have to disagree. Peace.

 

Because it is guilt over your existence and circumstance of your birth over which you had no say.

 

Which is ok.

 

How would we state that positively?

I should not be held accountable for conditions over which I had no influence?

 

Yes, immigrants should benefit us. We should get only the best. It is a privilege, not a right to come here.

 

I do not have any guilt because I never owned any slaves or sold any either. I doubt any of my ancestors were ever rich enough to own any either. Why should we pay reparations for anything that happened in the past because we had no control over it and also there are none left who were alive back then either? Why should we give money to the free black people who never experienced slavery in their lives?

 

To come where, to your house, or mine?

 

No.

 

You don't know that. Be we DO know this nation's history AND how millions of people were affected by human endeavors in general.

They key is teaching the good/bad and resolving problems which surely originate from the same. All these forms of denial that make one or the other of us more 'comfortable'... aren't prudent. We need to do better as Americans... as HUMAN BEINGS.

 

So let's do it. Lets find ways to make everyones life better. But taking my money for things I haven't done is not the way to do it.

 

Sounds to me like you think we should accept the guilt of the past. That will not change the past and will only give slackers an excuse to remain slackers and not improve their situation. Blaming all the ills of modern times on the past is no way to move forward and it will not remove racism it will only increase it.

 

Then who? You don't want to give money to black people whose ancestors murdered Native Americans and took their land as payment for those murders, do you?

 

Kode sees blacks as victims, incapable of helping themselves.

 

Who is denying that slavery existed in the past in the USA (and everywhere else in the past.)

Link to the message of who posted they deny slavery existed in the USA? Do you know one adult who doesn't know that? Really?

If a person is 3/4th white and 1/4th black, does that mean the person only would pay half? I guess President Obama would have to take money out of his right pocket and put it in his left pocket.

But I think what "reparations" really means is a new federal affirmative action plan, for which social benefits programs would be established singularly to benefit black people to codify the unending Democratic Party goals of racial segregation and division.

Seriously, if reparations are due over the past it should be to Native Americans, not blacks. Native Americans didn't even get 40 acres and a mule. But I'd be ok with giving blacks another mule since the one their ancestors - those who were slaves anyway - died long ago.

It is worth mentioning that not all blacks in the USA have ancestors who were slaves. President Obama didn't. His ancestors were slave traders and had slaves in Africa.

 

The Obamas and Oprah definitely are victims of racism, obviously by their terrible suffering and how severely they have been economically and in status been held back. How much do you think billionaire Oprah should receive for her suffering?

 

More than native Americans, because reasons.

 

This reminds me of a young, attractive white female commenting how many times young black men had tried to pick her up - and then told her that the reason she wouldn't is because she's a racist. She said she just walked away. Actually, it might have had something to do with she was married to another woman, but saw no reason to give a reason.

 

What reasons? Slaves owners did not wholesale slaughter their slaves. The black population has soared in the USA. The Native American population - including most who are mixed due to rape - is only back up to approximately 3% of what it was and NAs remain among the poorest Americans. So, what do you got FOR blacks - or is it AGAINST NAs?

 

I was being sarcastic, sorry. I'm very much against reparations of any kind.

 

This thread is nothing but an exercise in denial, participated-in by those who would rather have things as they would prefer.

Interesting chat, but real solutions (which are what's actually needed) are going to have to be more practical and comprehensive than the ideas/notions shared in this discussion.

Best regards to all.

 

Ahhhh,, like a big boy,, playing the racism card. Sheeeeesh..

In ten thousand years (or whatever) American Indians hadn't invented (or develop, call it what you will) the wheel, so do you think without European intervention within 300 or 500 years they would have been able to develop the motor car or put a man on the moon?

Yes,, immigration has been the driving force that has made America what it is today, not the evolution of the American Indians.

 

Maybe so, but times change. What is good in one era may be bad in another. Back in the day we needed strong backs and weak minds. Not so much these days.

 

I don't pretend to have an a swet rmti everything. But I know a terrible and unjust idea when I see one. And reparations is both terrible and unjust.

The only denial here, is to deny that.

 

I'm sorry, what makes this reparations idea unjust?