The Islam haters and the nonsense they name to back the hate!

When I read again and again the BS of the Islam haters, particularly when a new Islamist terror attack as yesterday happened, I can more and more puke about the arrogance and ignorance of this low minded and not much knowing people who get their education form righty BS MSM only which has as content … who does not know it? … only Hate, Fear, Tits, Sport and Weather Forecast!

So I think it is now time to set a small statement against these trolls by showing pure facts of realities!
This does not mean that I do not damn these bastards of terrorist scum and for me the death penalty is not enough as punishment for this scum.

Myth # 01
The Islamist Haters always claim that Islam is a religion of violence ... in other words, Islam is an evil and violent religion. They justify this again and again with various places in the Koran, which call for violence ... very particularly popular are the places where violence against "other believers" is concerned.
This is often very evil, what happens because these Koran passages are from the related context torned. Not always, but in over 90% of all cases, the context is a completely different picture! Then it is simply fact that there is always error in translations from one language to another language. We all know that the one word in language A can have several meanings in language B.

A simple example German - English and English German for one word:
In the German language there are the words "laufen" and "rennen". The translation into English is for both the verb “to run” and so the first translation problem: “rennen” is the fast version of “laufen”, so if used “rennen” it means to run fast which has in English the term sprint... nice!
And when we go now from English into German about “run”, this word has in German many more translations!, because in English it is not only a verb, but also a noun!
Even it is no real good tool, please use Google translator for this example here to see with your own eyes, what “chaos” this simple word in English and German can cause if wrong translated! And then imagine what a complete translation can cause of errors!

A concrete and good example is the word "jihad". I think everyone here means knowing what that word is and what it stands for, right?
Yes, it stands for the holy war of Islam against not Muslims! Yes, it is used by the terrorist scum to justify their attacks religiously.
The problem is, however, that this word also has a different meaning, which here in the forum know the least and which even most terrorist bastards do not know: jihad also stands for missionary, thus the peaceful spreading of a religion, which we also from Christianity know!



Myth # 02
In return, the Christian religion is portrayed as the oh so peaceful and thus better religion. This is really ridiculous ...
Apart from the fact that Christianity was a damned violent religion in the past and there died in the name of God and Jesus millions of people, most Christians do not adhere to their so holy Bible!
Yes, of course, most of these issues happened in the past and in modern times, but even today, faith still plays a role in our wars!

It is much more interesting, however, why people keep saying that the Bible is so much more peaceful than the Koran. Here begins the whole hypocrisy because the people who beat up on Islam in contrast show only the New Testament as "counter-example", but the Old Testament they conceal! And then there is the impudent assertion that the Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity. What kind of total nonsense is that? Both are part of the Christian religion and every reverent, priest and so on will confirm this! But the reason for this arrogance is clear, because if one looks at the Old Testament more closely, then that is in point of violence not really different from the Koran!

And especially to the Christians, the Old Testament too often serves as a religious justification for things. Where is once "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" again written, eh?

OK, I forgot nearly the point of that Koran calls for war against other believers, but bible does not. Ehm ... well ... with what were again the crusades on medieval age backed please?

Myth # 03
The Islam haters keep saying that the ME is glimmering and eternally a violent region to justify its hatred for Islam. So, then, that Europe was not so violent in comparison?
How ridiculous and wrong is that? Hello?

A simple look at the history books shows more clearly that there were not only more wars and more violence in Europe in the same period, but also that Christians were world champions to kill us each other in the name of Jesus.
And also the dear Americans must be very quiet here, which is their own and compared to Europe and the ME younger / shorter history of the USA! Do I really need to give examples so that those who deny this are silent in full shame? Keyword, dealing with the natives, e.g. Compulsory missionary to become Christians in reserves?

Myth # 04
The Islam Haters claim that the majority of the Muslims call the terror in the name of Islam as OK, support it directly / indirectly or even actively participate as terrorists. What a nonsense!

There are over 2,000,000,000 Muslims on the planet! The majority therefore means that we have more as 1,000,000,000 (more as 50%) Islamic terrorists and supporters. Is already OK ... but otherwise there are no mental problems with those who claim such an idiotic idiocy?
Of course, there are often crass cultural differences in Islamic countries in comparison to us and also some differences are repellent or worse for us and not a few of these things are also repugnant to me. Whoever denies this is also a troll... even if the whole thing is often seen also reversed, for us normal things are reversed for the others repulsive and worse!

The fact is that most Muslims are much more modern than is claimed. And much worse is this idiotic assertion about the backwardness of Islam compared to our values, when we look on the often given reasons for this!.
If, in some Islamic state, large sections of the population begin to liberate themselves and demand democratic values etc., they have often a huge problem! Their countries are often ruled by despots and more or less powerful dictators and regimes with a strange interpretation of Islam as back for their power, but they are a friend of the USA (and other Western states). The result is that the US help the regimes, such demands that threaten the power of the regime. Result: The US does everything to prevent these evil Muslims from receiving the same values, freedoms and democratic rights.
Who then someone insults precisely these evil Muslims, they are back is not only no longer hypocritical, but impertinent! Or what do you call it, if you forbid someone to be not backward, but then you go and insulted this same someone to be backwards, eh?

And that out of this some sort of hate against the USA and the West is build up in such a population is clear and more as understandable!

 

Myth # 5
Islam is a peaceful religion. If you invite millions of Muslims to your region of the world, they will not rape, torture and murder women in the name of Allah. They will not ignore your law while practicing Sharia. They will not conduct terrorist attacks. They will not replace government. They will not force nonbelievers to pray to Allah.

 

Myth #5a
If one fails completely in the integration and also does not use its state possibilities for the prevention, then something like this always happens ... also with other religions and cultures!

 

No, in France we welcomed millions of spanish, italian and polish people and didn't had that much problems. We had some problems with italian in the early XXth century but not at that point.

However, even in countries where muslims ask for more democracy, they don't always ask for more secularity.
The only secular muslim country got their secularity destroyed by Erdogan.
Asking for more democracy is not asking for less islam.

Anyway, I despise islam, maybe, but that doesn't mean I hate muslims.

 

Mandelus, no offense pal but since you live in Cologne, Germany, I think you you have "the Cologne (Stokholm 2) syndrome".

 

So, funny story ... I adopt this adorable "Persian" kitten! Now look what's happened ...
RADICALIZED!

 

Well it's your own damn fault. Everyone knows a cat needs a lot of milk and Eskimo kisses. That poor, poor victim!

 

Islam was on par with Viking raiding parties when "The Prophet" dreamed it up in the 7th century. Both cultures existed at the same time with the same purpose of raiding other societies, taking their stuff, and selling captives as slaves. Thank god the Vikings became civilized hopefully Muslims will too some day.

 

Like all religions, there are some positive contributions Islam makes to society and yet there are some very severe flaws. I've read the Qur'an cover to cover. I can confirm that Islam does not condone violence except in self defense. And while they are not to impose their religion on others or physically harm non-Muslims, they are taught to view non-muslims as persons of less value and are discouraged to associate too closely with non-Muslims. That's just to put very lightly.

Luckily most Muslims have not read the Qur'an cover to cover AND understand it. They just memorize the Arabic text like song notes. Because if they did, my Muslim neighbors would stop smiling and look at me as they would a dirty stray dog. If I were to tell the Imam at the nearest mosque that I read the Qur'an and then apologized for the fact that I have doubts and cannot convert, he would be extremely angry.

So I'm not a hater, just somebody with reservations.

 

Of course bigotry will cause normal everyday people to get sick. The problem is western countries for the most part vilified Islam and it's followers. These people that sicken you sicken me as well. Not because they hate Islam but because they believe everything they are told by the western media. The live in a fantasy world where they believe their leaders are generally good and their country has always been good. Especially in The United States. Instead of listening to the news or your H.S. history teacher pick up a book and read what the US was really about. You will find genocide being carried out on native Americans, and that the government since day one has been corrupt. Employing gangs and cut throats to make people vote for the corruption, or to steal property or to silence dissent.

 

What a load of apologist crap!

 

This has always been a complicated issue to discuss in this forum because it's hard to say if this is appropriate for the opinion section or if it should fall into the religious section (that never gets any activity) by default. Well anyway, it is where it is now so I guess I'm free to reply to it here. For starters, I am Muslim. I am also educated on what Islam is verses the way some people portray Islam (as Muslims). I understand your argument, although not all of it is accurate (i.e. Jihad means to strive), but it is still well intended. I have been dealing with this issue for decades, and in that time it has occurred to me that "haters" are not necessarily a bad thing. Common enemies create unity and sympathizers. It is because of the fear and the hate that caused Islam to be investigated and grow as a result. In this way (and I really hate to draw this parallel) it's the same reason Trump was able to win the White House and costs the Democrats every branch of government. Because when there's such a loud bullhorn calling everyone attention to something (that they might otherwise have been oblivious to) they start to conduct their own investigation. They listen to the argument, do some research and then decide how they feel about it. So I applaud the haters, "please don't stop hating."

 

Well, their culture is not so much different. However, the integration with Christians loweriander synonymous not always dazzling. When at that time immigrated from Ireland to the USA, they were abominably evil Catholics and were treated like the last muck.
However, the principle of reasonable immigration and integration has long been established, defined and applied ... and that of a kingdom where the few would suspect that it happened:

The Prussian King Frederik the Great (1712 - 1786) said and did the following:

"In my country, every immigrant is welcome, no matter what god or religion he believes, he can follow his faith, I only expect him to respect my laws and values and respect them, but who does not My whole hardness will be felt. "

Even if his gaze was not really directed at Muslims (except for a few immigrant Tatars from Eastern Poland, there were none in Prussia), but the Protestant - Catholic conflict and Jews who had already been persecuted in half of Europe, this is a perfect motto!

 

Bad joke ... And if you want to set some focus of Sylvester 2015 to 2016 issue, bad fail!

 

I am not a hater of Islam as such but I do hate that the majority of decent Muslims will not speak out against those who subvert their religion for hatred and death. Instead they leave them alone and force the world to deal with their radical brethren.

 

if no argument left, because they are of uncomfortable way backed by facts destroyed this way, the common reaction as usual!

 

This is a good argument and I really must agree with you!

My accusation against the Muslims is exactly that, because if someone is so violently dragging their religion, Islam abused and thus create a hatred, which also meets them, then the Muslims have here damn again to react accordingly! and to show that they hate these bastards too!
In my city there is a large Turkish community of many thousand people. When the idiot calls in Ankara - Erdogan - then thousands go to the street / make public events for Erdogan. But if such a bastard of Islamist and terrorist commits again in the name of the Islam, then it is in the cemetery louder in reactions!

 

Well, this was no joke. You are an islamic appologist as others here tried to point out too.
I hope you know what the Stokholm syndrom is, right?

 

I personnaly divide the muslims between four categories :
_The djihadist : should I comment ? Degenerates.
_ Salafist/extremist/wahabist, they have a very literal way to interpret Islam, close minded people.
_ The passive, they practice Islam but don't have the caring of keeping their religion "pure" and purge Islam from extremist.
_ The spiritual one, they transcended islam and reached the feeling of the divine, they are by the way non-violent and understand their is good people no matter their believes. They are like in every religion the rarest one.

 

No, I'm not ... I'm not even believing in any religion!
I only attack idiotic accusations and assertions that are far from any truth or facts.
Would someone here doe the same nonsense about ... no idea ... let's say Buddhists, my reaction would be the same!

And of course I understand your wording game with Stockholm syndrome very good! Victims who start deep mentally relations with the criminal on one hand and on the other hand the hidden kick to the raping issues in Sweden, eh?

 

Let's look at the numbers:

There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. Even if 1.6 million are extremist (probably an overestimation), that's only 0.1% of the population. Maybe 10% of the extremists are actively violent, making it 0.01% of the total population that are actually violent. ISIS really has only 40,000 members, which is not much.

Now, compare this to the US: 0.7% of the US population is incarcerated, the highest percentage in the civilized world. It stands to reason that the US therefore has a lot of criminals, so they should be prevented from traveling into any other country for fear of committing crimes there. That's 2.2 million people, so chance is that someone will commit a crime when US citizens go to other countries. Every crime counts.

See how that works?

 

Sadly your post is devoid of any real analysis.

The reality can be found, but you actually have to try.

Lets take a look at the real reasons why islam is incompatible with western culture.

 

Saying Islam is a religion of peace is attempting to put lipstick on a pig.

How many Presbyterians are strapping bombs to themselves and walking into a restaurant in Riyadh? How many knife-wielding Lutherans attack crowds in Cairo?

 

you don't even have to go that deep.

Islam teaches women are property, gays should be put to death, men and women shouldn't even sit together, and a woman can be raped based on how theyre dressed.

 

Well, it's the very definition of a religion - we are the chosen ones, the others already burn in the hell we imagined etc.

We can't expect religions to be open-minded or impartial - that isn't a religion's job. Rationality isn't religious domain.