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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    No the republicans really don't want people to die. They just can't reconcile free enterprise with helping people who don't have enough money to participate in a system designed totally around thenprofit motive.
     
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    Actually, they already did when 45,000 Americans died every year due to lack of health care. It's what I call the Republican created holocaust. History will eventually say the same.
     
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    You are posting a story that makes no case for barrycare. First, she will not lose her coverage, pre existing conditions will not be scraped. Secondly, your story states that the coverage the lady received is not available any longer since 2013. So, since insurance companies quit selling these policies in 2013 I'd say Democrats "prefer that she just die".
    http://www.businessinsider.com/republican-health-care-plan-2014-1
     
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    Saving her life isn't grounds for her supporting ACA?

    Laughable!
     
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    Everybody is arguing the wrong argument according to this article. It says the real problem with healthcare is that there are no prices for services. Ask your doctor's office how much a procedure will cost and the first thing they ask is what insurance you have. Prices vary according to who's paying.

    BTW, the ACA requires that insurance companies spend 80% of premiums on services, leaving 20% for overhead and profit. So now, to get around that, insurance companies are actually working to get providers to raise their prices so that insurance companies' 20% cut is more money!

    https://patriotpost.us/articles/47683
     
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    Actually if you read the Ryan plan health insurance companies will be required to provide coverage for pre existing conditions. The catch is that the insurance companies will not have any restrictions on just how much they can charge for people with what the companies decide to consider pre existing conditions.
     
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    Hey Trump - how about keeping your word just this once???
     
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    DumpCare - just pathetic.
     
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    Outrage over $400 million tax break for insurance executives under GOP Obamacare replacement plan
    Democrats on Wednesday broadly blasted a proposed Obamacare replacement bill after learning the federal government would lose about $400 million in lost tax revenue over the next decade due to a sweet break for health insurers.

    Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., said that the tax break related to executive pay underscores the fact that the Republican replacement bill is "the beginning of a huge giveaway to the very, very wealthy," and the end of insurance coverage to millions of lower-income people.

    "We're starting off... with essentially a giveaway to insurance executives," Levin said.

    The proposed tax break, buried in cryptic language in the Republican plan, would allow health insurers to more fully deduct the value of their executives' compensation on their taxes. That compensation can be as high as tens of millions of dollars, in the case of CEOs of insurers.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...macare-replacement-plan/ar-AAo1XOm?li=BBnbcA1






    Trump care = more welfare for the rich - no wonder why right wingers love it
     
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    Republican party - the true source of death panels.
     
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    And many died for lack of being able to afford medical care.
     
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    Right. They're not good at anticipating and planning.
     
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    I don't think many in the middle class can afford ACA, they may be able to pay premiums but the deductibles are crushing so it's like no HC at all.
     
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    The pro death Republicans will soon bring on their DEATH PANELS.
     
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    That is silly. They won't need death panels since Trump care will not actually provide health care insurance for anyone who actually needs it.
     
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    No insurance = yields death and death panels.
     
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    Paul Ryan models the "casual sociopath" look.

    The current version of Trumpcare—the one negotiated last week by popular vote loser Donald Trump with conservatives to woo votes for passage—hasn't yet been scored by the Congressional Budget Office, even though it's slated for a vote Thursday. The thing is, though, nothing in those changes is likely to make the bottom line any better for people who are going to lost health insurance under Trumpcare. Any changes made to try to make tax credits better will be offset by the sped-up cuts to Medicaid, says the Brookings Institute.

    We conclude that the changes made by the manager’s amendment will not meaningfully alter CBO’s earlier prediction that the AHCA would substantially reduce insurance coverage. While one provision of the manager’s amendment would slightly relax the “per capita cap” on state Medicaid spending created under the AHCA and thereby modestly increase CBO’s estimate of insurance coverage under the AHCA, the work requirement and block grant options created by the manager’s amendment have the potential to cause additional coverage losses that largely or more than offset this improvement, at least if states take up these options.
    The change to the medical expense deduction in the manager’s amendment is likely to have a negligible effect on CBO’s coverage estimates. Some reports have suggested that this provision was inserted as a placeholder and that the intent of Republican leaders is for the Senate to remove this provision and use the savings—roughly $75 billion over ten years—to increase individual market tax credits for older enrollees in some unspecified way. Naturally, unspecified future changes will not be incorporated in CBO’s analysis of the current version of the legislation. However, given the relatively limited amount of money involved, we conclude that future changes along these lines would be likely to only marginally increase CBO’s estimate of the level of insurance coverage under the AHCA.

    So, yeah, 4 million people could lose insurance this year, 14 million next year, 24 million in a decade. Still. That doesn't even really get to the awfulness of those cuts: the destruction of Medicaid. In fact, this whole exercise could be nothing more than the fulfillment of sociopath Paul Ryan's frat-boy "dream" of cutting Medicaid. And with it the health and the lives of millions.


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    Disgusting. @PRyan says he's been "dreaming" of capping health insurance funds for low-income Americans since he was drinking out of kegs.


    The House is scheduled to vote on Trumpcare on THURSDAY, MARCH 23. Even if you already called your member of Congress, do it again by calling the Capitol Hill switchboard at (202) 224-3121. Jam the phone lines, urge them to vote NO.







    BEWARE REPUBLICAN DEATH PANELS!
     
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    On Monday, the House Intelligence Committee grilled FBI Director James Comey about Trump’s claims that former president Barack Obama had ordered wiretaps in the Trump Tower. Comey firmly rejected Trump’s allegations.

    Then something odd happened: The president live-tweeted his responses during the testimony, and committee members asked Comey about Trump’s tweets in real time.

    Onto Obamacare. While making his case for the GOP replacement for the Affordable Care Act, Trump repeatedly used his favorite — and inaccurate — talking points. We looked at a series of them, and three are below. See the full roundup here.

    “They also want people to know that Obamacare is dead; it’s a dead health-care plan. It’s not even a health-care plan, frankly.”
    This is false. Credible estimates suggest the health-care law boosted the number of people with health insurance by 20 million. The Congressional Budget Office said the individual market would be stable in most markets at least for the next 10 years under the Affordable Care Act.

    We have no idea what he’s referring to, but it may be the “death spiral,” which critics say is inevitable for the health-care law. Of course, Republicans are responsible for some of the increased premiums and lack of sign-ups in state exchanges.

    For example, Republican lawmakers restricted a key payment mechanism called “risk corridors,” which was intended to help stabilize premiums and protect insurance companies from losses in the initial three years of the law. And within his first week in office, Trump pulled back federally sponsored advertising encouraging people to sign up for health exchanges during the open enrollment period.

    “I was in Tennessee — I was just telling the folks — and half of the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the insurance company.”

    This is false. Tennessee is divided into eight geographic areas that insurers use to set their rates. All eight rating areas have at least one insurance carrier, and three of them have two carriers. FactCheck.org found “it is possible that some parts of the state will be without marketplace coverage next year.” But that’s not the same as Trump claiming half the state has no insurance company.
     
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    Basketball Fans Treated To Ads Congratulating Republicans For Repealing Obamacare [UPDATE]





    Basketball fans tonight in several Republican-adjacent TV markets are enjoying a series of ads, prematurely bought by the American Action Network PAC, inviting viewers to call their representatives to thank them for repealing Obamacare today—something that did not happen.


    Above you see an ad praising Virginia’s Barbara Comstock; it ran during the Wizards-Nets game. Below are ads for Fresno’s David Valadao and Des Moines’s David Young; both ran on CBS stations before March Madness coverage. Money well-spent, we think.


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    Can't help but laugh at that one!
     
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    LOL!!! The Dope Administration is in chaotic shambles. Everything to going south on them. It couldn't happen to a dumber bunch.

    Yesterday the Democrats didn't bother with the Dumbo repeal effort. They just sat back and watched the Dopes destroy themselves. :roflol:
     
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    Well Trump's biggest campaign promise has gone down in flames. His only hope to be able to maintain his delusion of being the great negotiator is to blame the failure on Ryan.

    That and of course a rather gleeful ha, ha now we will enjoy watching the American people suffer tweet.
     
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    Well, we know he won't blame himself, being the bloviating egomaniac that he is, and so filled with himself unjustifiably.
     
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    LOL, this thread is so utterly hysterical it can't be taken seriously, its just funny.
     
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