What drives those of Faith to ignore Scientific Facts?

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  1. jmblt2000

    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Mitochondrial DNA exists in every cell which aids in energy production, enzymes and RNA production. Mitochondrial DNA only has 37 genes, so I don't understand why you think there is such an abundance of variations in this form of DNA. Please provide a link, I went back and reviewed this info and it was what I thought, so I do not see a plethora of variations.
     
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    Well, it was a technicality, I admit.

    The first cells are considered to have included RNA, but not DNA.
     
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    I'll take the consensus of climate researchers over your beliefs. Oh, and the only money to be had is in Big Oil.
     
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    It is so refreshing to see members of the scientific community finally standing up to Islam and telling them Mohammad was delusional because Allah is a myth.
     
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    Because it really makes no difference what you believe about something that has absolutely no impact on your very short existence here.
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    The consensus is BS and has been proven wrong...Most of the so called climate researchers weren't even in climate research and I hardly call 1200 a consensus...Try doing some research on your own instead of believing what you are told.
     
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    Would you consider it undermining and deriding if I pointed out that Einstein wrote...
     
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    Faith is the answer you seek. Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
     
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    Really? What part of the below is what Dawkins said and what part is you conclusion?

    Did Dawkins say: these are the ideas of an Agnostic..... not an Atheist.
    -or-
    Did you say: these are the ideas of an Agnostic..... not an Atheist.

    You deceitfully made no separation. If you were honest, you would have posted it this way...
    these are the ideas of an Agnostic..... not an Atheist​

    Furthermore, your conclusion is not supported by any thing in your own post. Perhaps I missed something. Perhaps you could highlight or explain anything in your post that lends credence to your conclusion. Especially since you accused Dawkins of lying about his atheism.
     
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    Most scientist are religious. What drives people of faith to science?
     
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    "Undoubtedly"? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?
     
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    As are all gods, so far.
     
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    My view is a little different on that take.

    There certainly are various scientists who are Christian.

    However, they have excelled while excluding God from their science.

    In the case of Einstein, regardless of what he actually thought about God, it had nothing at all to do with his theories.

    In the case of Darwin, again his science shows independence from his religious views when it comes to investigating our universe - science.

    We don't HAVE theories that involve god. That doesn't necessarily mean there is no god, but let's get real - science is separate from religion. They just don't mix when it comes to exploring how things work.
     
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    I see it like this: God isn't religious, man is. God isn't a human with feelings, doubts, curiosity, sense of time, etc. I like the way Einstein put it.
     
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    From your link...
    Not true. I will however, quote Einstein's comments about Christians whenever a Christian claims a BRILLIANT mind like Einstein's believes in GOD and tries to make it seem that Einstein believed in the Christian god.

    Pardon me if I did not keep track of your particular views.


    Perhaps you can explain why Einstein's Deistic beliefs indicate that atheists cannot believe in science. Except for religious fundamentalists, people of all persuasions believe in science.
     
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    Einstein termed himself a "Pantheist, after the order of Spinoza" which......
    is not exactly a belief in the Christian G-d......
    unless you believe that the Christian and Jewish G-d.....
    is in the business of creating other gods..... or even children of G-d?
     
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    A similar question would be- "Why do atheists ignore an alien visitor?"
    After all, Jesus said-
    "I am not of this world ....though you do not believe me, believe the miracles...." (John 8:23,John 10:38 )
    We know he scared the snooty priests who killed him, so maybe he still scares atheists today?
    Alien visitors generally get similar welcomes from primitive humans..:)-

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    Doesn't it just boil down to the word/meaning of "Faith?" ...so how is it even possible to debate? You either believe or not. End of story.
     
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    You bring up Einstein as an indication of there being a god - as if his credibility in science is a justification for accepting his ideas in religion.

    Do you really expect anyone to accept that line of argument?
     
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    God isn't a religion or religious.
     
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    I agree. The contention comes in when people try to claim there is evidence of one way or the other.

    So, people propose stuff as evidence of "yes" or "no" and others point out how it's not actually evidence at all.
     
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    I haven't been talking about religion.

    I would say, though, that your quotes of Einstein are indeed religious. And, my point is that such religious comments aren't evidence of there being a god.
     
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    You can say that, but it's not what Einstein said in the quote I used. He spoke of a superior intelligence. Religion is man's idea, not God's. Religion is man's feeble attempts at trying to understand and please God. Einstein never said he believed in religion or God. He said he was convinced as a scientist that there is a Spirit and Intelligence that guides the universe superior to anything of man's. He was careful not to use the word "God", speaking as a scientist.
     
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    Einstein's statement was made with no evidence to back it up and was made before the modern studies of quantum mechanics had even really started.
     

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