Getting Healthcare Right

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  1. Kode

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    Ok, let me "correct" that for you: "I know that profit motive isn't what is driving the entire $15 cost of a Tylenol in the hospital."

    Better?
     
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    They just pulled that ridiculous Trumpcare Bill
     
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    So the first big thing Republicans try is a dismal failure. LOL!!!!!
     
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    the biggest reasons by far are third party payers and people carrying more than catastrophic coverage.
     
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    And insurance company profits, and corporate advertising, and corporate investment funds, and corporate legal departments, and corporate CEO pay (highest industry in the U.S.), etc.
     
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    They need to rein in the greed of the insurance companies.
     
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    We need to move to national healthcare like every other nation. NO profits. NO advertising. NO investment fund. NO legal department necessary. NO excessive CEO pay.

    Medicare overhead is about 3% of revenue. Average insurance company overhead is 28% of revenue. We need "Medicare For All".
     
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    That is the ONLY way to "Fix" Obamacare.

    Single Payer.
     
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    Thank-You for your input---And I am sorry you had to even pay the $2 for parking---
     
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    I don't necessarily agree with your points, however I can understand why you raise them,which is what makes this Health Care issue so complex-if everyone was responsible & contributed something, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.Problem is some people can't contribute, some people choose not to contribute & some spend their time finding ways to contribute less than they should.
    Our system, the" United States of America" our constitution, our Declaration of Independence ," Government for the people,of the people & by the people". It is laid out that "we" all help each other. It is then that we all pay into the Government for the Government to do exactly that-help--
    The reason there is no support for this GOP Health Care bill is it goes totally against what the Government is there for---I applaud the bill going down in defeat-for the first time in a long time we saw ----Country over party---
    Now,hopefully all our Congressmen & Women & all our Senators can work on a bill together to strengthen the ACA that works for all of us-----------------Universal Health Care anyone-------
     
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    Since that was the topic of the conversation in which you inserted yourself, yes that is much better. Since you know that the profit motive isn't what is driving that cost, you should have agreed with me rather than disagreeing.
     
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    That's what insurance is! Do you object to "paying another's bills" regarding auto insurance? Homeowner's insurance? Life insurance? ANY insurance? This argument in not valid.


    In countries with national healthcare where insurance company profits are not the major driving force, national policies providing and encouraging preventative care and healthy eating habits are a major factor contributing to lower overall medical costs.
     
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    Of course I knew that. That's what makes universal healthcare so good.
     
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    Remembering that the oxygen thieves are only a percentage of the helpless members of your society and mine.
     
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    Nobody is saying it's perfect, but here's my question: Although I understand that we all pay for the sick and helpless in Canada,and I have to tell you, it does drive me up the wall seeing people sitting on their lazy asses and living, a lot of the time, living much better than I. The answer is that they shouldn't get a check for nothing, pay no taxes, Christmas ends up being free, and you can guess the rest of the story. So finally, my question is, why? Why can we not force them out to do something.
     
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    It's good for sure. I don't mind contributing extra tax each year so that all of us can have Medicare. My ablation followed a double coronary bypass and later pneumonia. I had atrial fibrillation. For all procedures due to the combination of Medicare and private health insurance none of it cost me a cent.

    I think the problem with the current debate in the US is that no-one can see past the insurance angle. Insurance is just a cost-spreading mechanism, it's one solution to the problem. However it seems the debate is stuck on the one solution without considering the problem. But that's because the varied vested interests are intent on keeping the debate focused on what they want.
     
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    I bought an old shack duplex when I was very young and divorced. Yes, I'm both divorced and widowed. I did have people help me with certain things, but did what I could myself; paint, wallpaper, carpet and flooring. I did this so that the other side of the building could pay for most of the mortgage, and had a friend as a boarder so that my daughter and I could eat. I'm not looking for a badge or a chest to pin it on thanks. Don't need the medal, and the chest is big enough, thanks. I did not ever want to have to go on welfare of any kind. If I had been less lucky, I may have had to go on assistance, but if I had, it would have been for a very short time.

    So here's the reason for the background; the girl who rented from me, was on assistance, had one child, and lived the "Life of Riley" right up until that child graduated. I fixed up two three bedroom houses over the first year; meanwhile, she laid back and watched soaps all day. I was working sixty hours a week at my regular job. My house was spotless and I had a boarder and a child to clean up after. She would literally sit with a cup of tea and say, "I must get this floor(the kitchen) cleaned today." Meanwhile, I'm on my hands and knees replacing the carpet in her dining room. (This was 32 yrs ago when I was young and strong and could work any amount of hours)I'm sure some of you must be able to identify with that.
     
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    The impact of those people who are just lazy is typically much less than we would be led to believe. And yet we should take steps to deal with the problem up until it starts costing more to deal with them then what is saved by dealing with them.

    Meanwhile, national healthcare is were we are going with some kicking and screaming, but go there we will.
     
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    Sorry, it's not paid insurance (not by you) until you get a job and are taxed based on income, of course...at least for the middle and lower class.
     
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    That's true, you will. It's inevitable, just like the ultimate collapse of all representative democracies.
     
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    I just love the certainty expressed here, like you haven't noticed that congress is filled with republicans who ran on repealing obamacare, Trump ran on repealing it, and the SCOTUS is well on its way to keeping it from happening. Meanwhile, the only democrat who wanted it is no longer a democrat, and he didn't even win the nomination.
     
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    So do I. Mine comes and goes. I can go months without an episode then it will come on. It may just be a quick flutter, last an hour or sometimes a full day. A full day is hard work resulting in head spins and fatigue. Then mysteriously it will disappear.

    I'm on medication to regulate my heart beat. My heart beat at rest is in the mid 60s bpm. Even when I have an episode of AF it can still be in the mid to high 60s. I've had 24 hour heart monitors fitted but didn't show any irregular heart rhythm. My cardiologist advised me just to live with it.

    My cardiologist charges me $145 for a consultation, I get about $80 reimbursed via Medicare.
     
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    Good post D
     
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    Unfortunately that is about all you CAN do with some types of AF - especially if it is intermittent.

    You know - one of the most effective drugs we have for AF has been around since the 1700s and is a herbal remedy - digoxin!!
     
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    A wise person once said

    "Why punish 95% of the population for the bad habits of 5%"
     

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