Healthcare False Narrative - let the free market fix it !

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  1. thinkitout

    thinkitout Well-Known Member

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    The AMA IS losing credibility AMONG DOCTORS as a result of its devious manipulations in the past, and membership stands now at about 20%. . . But don't underestimate its political clout.

    The mission of the AMA has been stated to be “to promote the art and science of medicine and the betterment of public health”. However, upon investigating some of the AMA’s component divisions, a political agenda becomes apparent. The mission statement of the AMA’s Council on Science and Public Health is “to assure the position of the AMA as the national leader in advancing the science of medicine as the primary mechanism for improving the quality of patient care, enhancing medical progress, and enhancing the health of the public”. Another component is the AMA Political Action Committee, whose mission is “to find and support candidates for Congressional offices, whether it is a new candidate for office who will make physicians and patients a top priority, or a candidate running for re-election who has been proven to be a friend of medicine”. This committee is a powerful lobbying group in Washington. Then there is the AMA’s House of Delegates, their legislative and policymaking body, of which the U.S. Surgeon General is a member. It doesn’t take an excessively active imagination to suspect occasional conflicts of interest.

    THE AMA IS A DOCTORS’ UNION!!!! Its purpose is not to stand up for patients’ rights, but for the rights of the physicians that treat them. Primary focuses are on increasing income and job security. Claiming that it exists to enhance the efficacy of the medical care that its members practice seems strangely contradictory to its intended purpose. Would eradication of disease and infirmities bring job security and greater wealth to doctors? The AMA supports traditional medicine, mainly consisting of pharmaceuticals which control symptoms but do not treat underlying causes. It has also violently opposed the attempts to introduce more effective treatments for chronic and even terminal diseases. Proponents of these treatments have been persecuted, discredited, and potentially life-saving remedies have been discarded without a trial. Substantiated records of favorable clinical results have been stifled. So, why does the AMA claim the patient to be its top priority? It is obviously propaganda meant to gain the trust of the American public, which is the only entity powerful enough to successfully oppose it. Treatment of health conditions focuses upon management and control, and clearly discourages the discovery of complete cures, as these would not necessitate further treatment and no longer would be a source of revenue. I find it very disturbing to think that it is credibly possible to think that organized medicine in this country is using our diseases and infirmities to enrich itself rather than fight against them. This is the greatest argument in favor of socialized medicine.

    The AMA is UNQUESTIONABLY at the top of the hierarchy of the medical sector.
     
  2. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Every large city has a county hospital. Every church run medical facility has a charity arm (ie. Methodist - Golden Cross). Most universities offering medical studies have teaching hospitals, Shriners Childrens Hospitals, St Jude offers assistance to heart patients at no charge... the list goes on and on.

    Our govt has a long history of ineffective services. Why on earth folks think they can manage our Healthcare is delusional.

    More: http://www.nafcclinics.org/
     
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  3. thinkitout

    thinkitout Well-Known Member

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    Still not clear. . . . Are you for or against government insurance mandates???
     
  4. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    That is because grandpa isn't paying for it..

    If he was paying for it sure as **** he would shop around..
     
  5. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Goose, when you are laying under the bus or having a heart attack , you can't shop for healthcare deals.. and YOU don't order anything in a hospital... your doctor does.
     
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    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Maybe in emergency situations, but when is a pacemaker installed in an emergency situation? not

    You absolutely can and do have great choice what doctor or specialists you decide to go and see, unless you just do as your old like a good little slave..
    Or your insurance tells you who you have to go to, and have little choice of insurance carriers..
     
  7. Lucifer

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    Uh, what?

    The vast majority of states already require minimum liability insurance. What's your point?
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    That's not the meaning of Free market Healthcare.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The cheapest route to go would be to make Christian Science the national religion. I suppose we could have a two-tiered system in which those who could afford it, could become Jehova Witnesses, but the blood banks would probably oppose both :popcorn:

    oh yeah, and free market doesn't just apply to the suppliers, but the range of options they are allowed to supply. I mean will the sky fall if women might actually have to pay for some of their birth control or mammograms? Why not free chantix instead of a $1500 smoker penalty? Why not free antibiotics instead of free mammograms? It is amusing that you lament monopolism and anti competitive practices, but think the government isn't a monopoly or somehow competes with others for your business.
     
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    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is..
     
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    Car's aren't people. They don't have rights, they don't have feelings and they can't experience pain or die. They have no children to care for or bills to pay.

    Comparing insurance on cars to insurance on people is a false dichotomy.

    Car insurance is already required in 48 states with the other 2 having special requirements.
     
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    Simple:
    Third party payers insulate the consumer from the true cost of goods and services, driving prices up and driving down competition.
    Want to lower prices and improve quality? Get rid of 3rd parties and make everyone pay for everything themselves.
     
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  13. Lucifer

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    This can't be repeated enough.

    The for-profit crowd acts like this isn't reality.
     
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    The AMA is not a union.. They do NOT promote medical treatments that are not highest and best standard.. and peer reviewed.

    Lots of residents join because they get a free PDR or Mercks Manual, but drop out soon after... Most doctors don't belong and never have.
     
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    The nice thing about being an adult is that you have the right to change your mind when you get more information.
     
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    It sounds like you don't even understand auto insurance. Just stop the comparison here.
     
  17. thinkitout

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    THE AMA IS A DOCTORS' UNION THAT SPECIALIZES IN EXPLOITING THE PROFITABILITY OFAMERICAN MEDICINE TO ITS FULLEST POTENTIAL AND BRAINWASHING THE PUBLIC INTO ACCEPTING THE STATUS QUO. To the AMA, Medicare for All is an anathema.


    However, I believe that physicians are tiring of overbearing restrictions by the AMA and are beginning to see that AMA guidelines are often in conflict with the welfare of their patients. From a membership of over 70% in the mid-sixties, currently less than 20% of American doctors belong to the AMA.

    Official criticism of the AMA which resulted in documented government intervention began as early as the 1930’s, resulting in a conviction of the AMA for the violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act after it forbade its members to participate in health maintenance organizations. Another antitrust violation occurred in 1987 when the AMA was convicted for conspiring to destroy the chiropractic profession to eliminate competition in the medical profession. An appeal by the AMA in 1990 reaffirmed the original judgment. Physicians have begun to see the ethical conflicts between the AMA’s agenda and the true purpose for their profession, and as a result, the AMA has lost much of the intimidating political clout it has enjoyed in the past.

    The AMA still exists to protect the interests of physicians, but due to negative exposure in the media and declining membership, it has been trying for several decades to improve its public image. It has been advocating vitamin therapy, preventive medicine, and adequate nutrition, the importance of which they had previously downplayed. It has begun to succumb to the pressure of public outrage by the American people, who have finally realized their enslavement by a controlling system that has used them more than it has helped them. The time is ripe to break through the AMA's resistance and sneak cures for cancer and other chronic conditions past its watchful eyes.

    . . . . Or, we can keep throwing money at them to develop even more expensive treatments.

    It would REALLY be to our advantage to correctly identify the sources of our problems before attempting to implement solutions, but in order to see them clearly, we must first break through our own self-indoctrinated barriers.
     
  18. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These anti competitive practices are so rampant one has trouble figuring out where to begin. What is so bizarre is that nothing ever gets fixed. Every once in awhile some lone voice speaks up. Everyone else then turns to that voice and says "look look we have freedom of speech - what a good system we have".

    That voice is then quickly drowned out by the cacophony on the take.

    Every time a tax law or regulation is made the oligopoly is sitting at the table. (and the have a right to be there perhaps).
    The problem is that the person who supposed to be representing the people is either under the influence of or in the pocket of the Oligopoly.

    The Oligopoly does not win every table but, over time, table after table, the rules of the game get skewed in favor of the Oligopoly.

    It is legalized extortion.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your first mistake is the assumption that free and fair markets exist in healthcare. If they did our system would be cheaper and provide more than the grossly obese healthcare bureaucratic nightmares that exist in "every other" first world nation.

    As it turns out we pay the most and have no universal healthcare - and this amazing given how inefficient, expensive and wasteful these other systems are.

    Price fixing and anti competitive practices are an anathema to fair and free markets.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is just another method of restricting entry. The other is the requirement for a very high GPA to get into med school.

    The idea that the shortage in doctors is not artificial is fantasy. There are plenty that want to be doctors, who are smart, and can afford $250 dollar textbooks but can not get in due to artificially high entrance restrictions.
     
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    Er...I don't know if I would feel comfortable being treated by a doctor that got into med school with just a "C" average.o_O
     
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    Getting into "a" med school is NOT insanely difficult. What is insanely difficult is getting into a GOOD med school. If a reasonably intelligent person is driven enough and willing to forego that many years of income on top of paying very high tuition, they can become a doctor.

    Are you insinuating that the top Med Schools should not be allowed to be selective ?
     
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    Legalized and regulated extortion.
     
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    Not even close. Like US banking, US healthcare and all its tangential industries, have been a highly regulated, mixed industries (and absolutely nothing like "free market") for many decades. As central, corrupt, incompetent government has grown by leaps and bounds since the very beginning of the 20th century, the extent to which corruption by powerful, entrenched interests has grown as well.

    One thing statists/Democrats/LW (the few honest, well-meaning ones anyway) need to learn is that laws and regulations are almost never there to help or protect you, they are there to help and protect entrenched interests, everything from lobbies, to contractors/corporations to unions and other entities. Of course they package and name them absurdities like "Affordable Care Act" to fool you. How easily people are fooled by crap like this never ceases to amaze me. That people can be fooled into believing it is all Democrats or Republicans doing it ("it's those -other- guys!!") is equally amazing. Have we become -that- stupid, intellectually lazy and self-absorbed? Seems so.

    One easy to research aspect of this is the body of insurance laws, especially at the state level. You can either go look at your state's insurance code yourself or take my word that every single poorly drafted, nebulous word in them is there to protect big, entrenched, campaign-donating interests who can pay folks like me lots of money against upstart competition who don't have the economies of scale to pay people like me lots of money. It's that simple, and all this pro donator/anti upstart regulatory bloat costs BILLIONS. Everyone who pays for their healthcare pays for it. You are being conned by false statements that we have anything remotely like a "free market" that has "failed" or is failing. That's just another part of the game to fool you and keep all the COMPETITION STIFLING, DUPLICATIVE REGULATIONS in place.

    Note that the only industry that ISN'T hyperregulated as to what they can and can't do is PLAINTIFF'S LAWYERS, one of the wealthiest and most donating groups among the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-lawyer-MSM Complex. They ARE regulated against competition that would drive settlements and legal costs down, but NOT as to how much cream they can steal off the top (that you and I pay for).

    Regulatory bloat and the corruption of central power at all levels add at least 25% to costs in healthcare (while they distract you by trying to make it about some dude overcharging for Epipens). Wake up folks, you are being played... and if you think "Well I'll get something for nothing" out of the deal, you are -sorely- mistaken.

    The solution is simple, decentralize power at all levels, prune the federal government severely.
     
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  25. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    No I didn't, I just stated what a complete free market would be.. Not that we have one..
     

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