Manhattan Mean Girls Worry People From Free States May Bring Liberty to NYC

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  1. OrlandoChuck

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    See...... you already have gun control. Felons and the insane cannot legally possess firearms as you stated.
     
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    I hate to burst your bubble, but as much as I respect law enforcement I can honestly say the NYPD is - without a doubt - the WORST trained department in the entire country; at least when it comes to firearms. The anti-gun attitude in New York means that few officers have ANY experience with firearms when they enter the Academy, and the Academy training is horribly inadequate at best, downright irresponsible at worst; partially due to the distaste officials in NY have for any discussion of firearms. I've shot the NYPD qualification course and it is ludicrously easy. On a bet with a friend (a former NYPD detective) I shot the course one-handed, with my non-dominant hand, and still maxed the qualifying score. It is the rare NYPD officer who can pass that same course on their first try! Overall, the NYPD has a horrific EIGHTEEN PERCENT hit ratio in armed confrontations. That means EIGHTY TWO rounds out of every hundred fired hit something other than what they are supposed to. So much for how "highly trained" they are.....
     
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    Yep. The RAND report went ape**** on them.
     
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    I hate to burst your bubble, I know you are Pro-Gun, however, poor marksmanship is due more to Adrenaline dump and less to training, the F.B.I. spent quite a bit of money upgrading R.N. the N.Y.P.D. ( + J.T.F. etc..) Range, plus Officers can voluntarily spend more time practicing.

    I was a remedial training Instructor, and I can say you have omitted many important details involved in shooting incidents.

    Every N.Y.P.D. shooting is carefully investigated and when the results indicate a need, are used to modify and upgrade training parameters.
     
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    No, I claimed that it's a bad idea to have every other Joe Shmoe carrying concealed weapons in Times Square. Or Rockefeller Center. Or Trump Tower. Or Grand Central. Or Penn Station. ESPECIALLY Penn Station, because Mother Teresa would be tempted to shoot someone if she had to commute through it every day.
     
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    The statement you are presenting makes no sense. It is difficult to even determine how to go about addressing what you are saying, or perhaps more accurately, what you are attempting to say.

    Are we to believe that the population in the city of Manhattan is so prone to violence, so inadequate in matters such as impulse control, that the only reason they are not succumbing to completely unprovoked violence on a massive scale, is the fact that the majority of them are not legally armed when they are out in public? Is this the point you are attempting to convey?
     
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    It is against the law for a person to be intoxicated while in possession of a firearm. It does not matter what the circumstances are that surround such an event, there is no exception to the above standard. If someone is causing a public disturbance, they can be arrested and taken into custody. If they are found in possession of a firearm, in an inebriated state, or both, the legal punishment will be significantly harsher for them.

    What makes you believe they are not already armed in such a setting? Simply because concealed carry permits are restricted, does not mean the carrying of firearms is not occurring.

    And it is only the sound of a firearm being discharged that can cause such an occurrence to transpire? There are no other circumstances under which such a large crowd of people could conceivably become frightened, and sent into a panic that may result in a stampede-type event that can lead to numerous deaths as a result?
     
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    Pray tell why do you believe the above to be the case? Why do you believe someone legally carrying a concealed firearm in these locations is a bad idea?
     
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    I'm sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water. I'm not just "pro-gun" but someone with LE training myself... and a stint in the U.S. Border Patrol; to say nothing of the advanced training I paid for out of my own pocket. Modern, effective training takes adrenaline and its affects on human physiology into account, and the training is utilized to try and use that physiological reaction to enhance officer survivability. I also trained with an internationally renowned instructor who had once been asked to train the NYPD. He was aghast at what he saw; officers with their firearms improperly loaded or even non-functional from neglect. When he met with the assistant commissioner who had invited him and began to outline where he felt the NYPD needed to focus to improve its officers abilities, the commissioner cut him off, and said, "all that costs money. It is more financially viable for us to hire a new officer after an officer gets killed.... and we get all kinds of PR benefits and public sympathy out of the big, traditional police funerals!" The instructor firmly told the commissioner to never call him again.

    You say "officers can voluntarily spend more time practicing". Yeah, sure, between overtime, court appearances, and needing to take care of their families; sure they're going to use their precious time off to run to Rodman's Neck and practice... especially when they're going to get mocked by their superiors for being a "gun nut" because they practice more often than other officers. Sorry, but you can say I "have omitted many important details" but I think you are actually rationalizing away far more important details.
     
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    I love projection.
     
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    If there were armed citizens and pilots on board the planes on 9/11/01 the hijackers probably never would have tried to commandeer those planes. I remember when hijacking airliners was just starting in the late '60s. There was a popular sit com called All in the family and the show's main character, Archie Bunker said, "if you want to stop all of this hijacking, just have everyone carry a gun on board. He was right.
     
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    We have over 1 million legally carrying concealed in Texas and much more than that legally armed in their cars in Texas and we do just fine in spite of all of the illegal aliens we have to deal with. Anybody who can legally own a gun can keep a loaded pistol concealed in their car. No FOID, no registration, no fees, and the gun doesn't even have to belong to the person.

    You should consider moving to America.
     
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    I recommend one of the original thirteen for the authentic American experience. Start in Boston or Philly. That said, how long have you woken up in Texas and confused it for Manhattan?

    BTW, the tri-state area has around the same number of illegal immigrants as Texas, and in a much smaller geographic area. The whole "give us your tired, your hungry, your poor, so we can put them to work and their grandchildren can complain about all the immigrants" thing. Works for us.
     
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    I'll take tired, poor, and hungry if they come here legally and are willing to work. Enjoy your French motto and the freeloaders you love.
     
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    If they had a locked bulletproof door between the pilots and the passengers, the hijackers never would have commandeered those planes (refer to Israel).
     
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    Except that ROI would have allowed the flight crew to open the doors and allow the hijackers to control the aircraft once the service crew or passengers were threatened. No one had flown hijacked airliners into buildings before.
     
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    The Hijackers had box cutters, no firearms, the Hijackers were Pilots.
    One flight out of four crashed in a feild in Pa...
     
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    Please, there are places in the northeast that have more in common with downtown Mogadishu than the US. And as to those immigrants, the Somalians have a pretty poor record of assimilation. That's just the beginning.
     
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    The northeast is the U.S., warts and all.

    Why are you bringing up Somalians? There's not a huge Somalian population on the east coast.
     
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    Just saying. You were bringing up immigrants. But hey give it time. More are headed your way.
     
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    And you know this just how? The Israeli system is layered and they have armed men inside the plane as well.
     
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    Immigrants are coming to NYC?! OMG, whatever will we do?
     
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    Turn into a third world craphole. If the financial institutions leave you'll be Detroit in less than 5 years. Then there is always the Muslim a really big bomb. Nothing like Islam's ultimate urban redevelopment.
     
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    They took down the Twin Towers and we're still doing fine. Not to worry - your money, American art and culture, your favorite fashion designers and, most importantly, the dinosaur bones are still safe. We got your backs.
     
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    My money? It's not actually stored on Wall Street, you know. And American art and culture isn't limited to what you fund in Manhattan. I know you're proud of your city, but the rest of the country really don't care much about it.

    My favorite fashion designers work with four way stretch material with DWR and are located in Montana, not NYC. Fashion designers. That's too funny.
     

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