Abortion is as unjust as slavery. An American historical perspective.

Because you were the one that said, and I quote, "Sex is for fun".

Because knowing the progressive mindset, you'd come up with some insanely expensive and irrelevant artificially inseminated method to pregnancy. That doesn't count.

Yes or no: is sex used to reproduce?

 

Abortion is legal until the 23 week.....and abortion to preserve the life or health of the woman is legal ANYTIME.

 

You don't know?

 

Yes of course I know. I'm done with your arrogance and ignorance for this thread.

 

The responsible thing to do in the case of an accidental pregnancy is to have an abortion rather than allow an unwanted pregnancy to continue which will result in the creation of a child. This child will often be raised in a disfunctional environment which makes the decision to create that child an irresponsible one.

Your claim "To kill your own child" assumes that a child exists in the early stages of pregnancy. An assumed premise (assumed premise fallacy) for which you have given no support.

While you may wish to believe a zygote (single human cell at conception) is a living human (child). You have not backed up this claim - never mind proven it.

This is one of the main parts of the abortion debate. As it sits - there is no consensus among subject matter experts that a zygote is a living human.

In fact the reverse is true.

http://science.jburroughs.org/mbahe/BioEthics/Articles/Whendoeshumanlifebegin.pdf

In the link you can read about the 5 different main perspectives (metabolic, genetic, embryological, neurological, ecological) on "when human life begins".

The above quote is from the genetic perspective (the only one of the five which puts the beginning of human life at conception).

While there are many grey areas in the abortion debate. One thing that is crystal clear is that "experts disagree".

 

Problem is in defining what the "health of the mother" means.

 

Not under all situations. So, the answer is yes, no, or maybe.

 

Exactly and more importantly - who decides what is a measurable impact on her?

 

Most acts of sex are not used to reproduce in humans, and most human reproduction involves sex (intrauterine injection and IVF do not).

But I'll say what I always do. The only thing that matters is that the embryo/early fetus has no mind. So it has no moral relevance outside of the mother's feelings about it.

 

Who would be qualified to define that?

You and your fellow anti-abortionists or her medical doctor?

 

Well, ya, if all you have is insults and absolutely no point then we have nothing to say to each other.....

 

NO, there is NO problem whatsoever with that...doctors, in consultation with their patient, determine that quite well thank you.....

Your problem is YOU don't get to decide

 

...and there are many children, unwanted and actually "age out" of the system having never had anyone(not even Pro-LIFERS) adopt them.


PLUS , no woman should be forced to go through 9 months of pregnancy for any reason...certainly not to give someone else a kid..

 

No. My "problem" is I have a set of morals that values life over the convenience of a woman who could not keep her knees together, and a man who lacked the moral values to keep his pants up. Then there is the lack of responsibility of either party to accept the results of their actions like mature adults should. You can make up all the excuses you want, abortion kills the life of an individual that has its own support system, its own genetic code, etc. The ONLY thing that connects it to the mother is the umbilical chord.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8

 

I am referring to the biological term of the word. Sex stems from the term sexual reproduction.....

 

If one were sooooo responsible, one wouldn't become pregnant in the first place if one knew one couldn't or wouldn't take care of one's child. Duh.

And what about in the case of parental death? I know people who were adopted because their biological parents died and they didn't have relatives or friends to take care of them.

 

NO, there is NO problem whatsoever with that...doctors, in consultation with their patient, determine that quite well thank you.....

Your problem is YOU don't get to decide


YOUR morals aren't everyone's and shouldn't be forced on those who don't agree.

Go ahead value the life of a fetus more than an actual living a woman...that's not unexpected from the Anti-Choicers....they firmly believe women have no rights to their own bodies but hang on to THEIR rights to their own bodies. I bet you'd object if forced to give your liver or blood to someone else but it's OK if women are forced to do that..

Adults, whether mature or not, get to decide for themselves what is responsible and what isn't responsible without YOUR "guidance"....

 

Responsibility has nothing to do with getting pregnant or not.....women using BC do get pregnant....and NO woman is obligated to use BC.


So YOU want someone that you consider irresponsible to become a parent...that's weird....

 

All contraceptive methods have a failure rate. Duh.

Why do you want to force those you deem to be irresponsible to be parents? That's unfair to the child, don't you think?

You know darn well that is not what I am talking about.

 

Should people suffer consequences for their actions? If I shot someone, should I be able to simply drop a hundred bucks or so to make everything just go away?

And since we're back to arguing again, I'll stick closer to the topic and get right to the point; is a fetus a life? Yes or no?

 

Then don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant. Then you won't have to give them up for adoption.

 

Your "set of moral values" seems to be extremely limited to only what YOU want.

And that is why the Law of the Land is not based upon YOUR "set of moral values".

YOU don't get to impose your "set of moral values" on others because every time that has been tried in this nation it has always been a miserable failure.

You have every right to live your own life by your own "set of moral values" but you violate the rights of others when you try to IMPOSE your "set of moral values" onto others.

 

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What you just said is , "women have rights until they get pregnant and then they Must Bend To MY Will , Give their Body over to Sustain Another, SOMETHING I DO NOT HAVE TO DO.""

Duh, "children like me" have been happily retired for several years but your stereotyping goes hand in hand with sexism and misogyny.

Old Old people like you seem to think they should rule over what is responsible for others, the Royal Bored Busybody Syndrome...they usually form opinions having fouled up their own lives.

I LOVE when the insults start flowing, it says so LOUDLY you have no argument

No, you don't really think it's a matter of anything but punishing women for having consensual sex....because no sane person would think that everyone on earth should OBEY their directives on what IS common sense and responsibility....



Funny how you just can't read or comprehend or address the post of mine you quoted (need new or clean glasses?):


YOUR morals aren't everyone's and shouldn't be forced on those who don't agree.

Go ahead value the life of a fetus more than an actual living a woman...that's not unexpected from the Anti-Choicers....they firmly believe women have no rights to their own bodies but hang on to THEIR rights to their own bodies. I bet you'd object if forced to give your liver or blood to someone else but it's OK if women are forced to do that..

Adults, whether mature or not, get to decide for themselves what is responsible and what isn't responsible without YOUR "guidance"...."""

 

No, neither women NOR MEN need to give up sex ...all a woman has to do if she has an unwanted pregnancy is have an abortion...(shrug )

 

THANK YOU for admitting that FORCING WOMEN TO GIVE BIRTH IS PUNISHMENT for having sex, pregnancy is SUFFERING the consequences..

Totally irrelevant....shooting someone is illegal...

"a life" ? explain what you mean by A life.


A fetus is alive...no one has ever said anything different that I'm aware of.....

If you mean A person, then NO, it is not a person.


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