Immigration and Children

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by waltky, Nov 3, 2015.

  1. TheResister

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    And so now you've resorted to name calling. Now we understand YOUR hidden agenda. Seig Freaking Heil.
     
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    Until we understand the true motive of our government that is allowing illegal immigration, nothing is going to change.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    Heh, you complain about name calling, but then call me a Nazi!

    Ahhh classic! And confirms that I was right.
     
  4. TheResister

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    I didn't call you anything, but now that you brought it up...

    The Secure the border lobby likes calling people names and accusing them of being nuts - and so forth and so on. The reality is, those who need America to be an absolute POLICE STATE cannot engage in serious discourse on this subject.

    For example, the Secure the border guys love the house analogy. Then, if you play along, they get their boxers in a bunch. If looked at realistically, you might liken America to an apartment building. Each state comprises an apartment within an apartment complex.

    Now if you become a resident of an apartment, you have every right to invite guests. If a guest stays beyond a reasonable time, they are considered as residents, subject to the rules of the apartment complex owners. So, in this house analogy, nobody can dictate who you can and cannot invite in as guests.

    Those who choose to become residents may be subject to a credit background check and employment verification. That, of course, does not apply to guests unless and until they become parties to the lease agreement. That is the same analogy with entering the U.S. to either become a citizen OR to visit as a guest. You don't need to become a citizen just because you came through the door as a guest.

    But, this about children and immigration and that is where we should focus. UNLESS the radical right and the Secure the border lobby can come to grips with the facts, they are doomed to have those children as citizens - no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If we cannot get past the fantasies of a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT with the power to impose National Socialist style National ID schemes and womb to the tomb surveillance of every American, we will not be able to go any further with this discussion.

    It boils down to which "nut" you think has the better plan: the ones with a tyrannical government utopia OR the guy lobbying for Freedom and Liberty. If all these guys want is a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and a POLICE STATE, they should just admit it, lobby for it, and quit playing games with the rest of us. Lil Mike don't want any solution that does not recognize a government / God with far reaching tentacles that deny to each of us the equal protection of the laws. I don't give a rat's fanny about bringing people from foreign countries to the U.S. To characterize me any differently is pure dishonesty, but it provides a side show to keep from thinking outside the box. So, yep, it you want a government big enough to control your every move, let Lil Mike show you the way to Utopia.
     
  5. Lil Mike

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    You merely show how far off the deep end you are. But I already knew that. That's why it's pointless trying to have a discussion with you.
     
  6. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well the vast majority of the adult anchor babies today who have grown up in America lack an education, haven't mastered the proficiency of the English language and are flipping burgers or gang banging. The vast majority have become dependent on the government. (tax payers)
     
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    That certainly is not the case.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...undocumented-immigrants-are-there-in-the-u-s/

    http://nypost.com/2015/08/21/donald-trump-is-dead-wrong-about-birthright-citizenship/ Okay, Linda is a lib, but facts are still facts.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/bobby-anchor-baby-jindal-happy-use-term

    You saying Jindal lacks an education? Yeah, right.
     
  8. TheResister

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    I'm off the deep end? And you think it's gentlemanly to patronize people you believe are crazy? It sounds more like you were wishing I hadn't brought some not so well known facts to the table.

    The bottom line is, you haven't produced a single, solitary idea here that does not increase the size, power and / or scope of government. You can call me crazy, but you can't hide from the facts. If you're not in love with a government / God, where is your idea that keeps the solutions at a level that are managed by the people rather than the bureaucracy of government? Where... in what posting on this thread is it?
     
  9. Liquid Reigns

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    What are your links suppose to prove? What facts are they using/presenting?They are nothing more than the opinion of the authors. There are no facts in those links that relate to what you claim. :roll:

    Jindal's parents came here legally, they were legally domiciled here and resident here via the law. :roll:
     
  10. APACHERAT

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    Jindal isn't an anchor baby.
    Jindah isn't a Latino but of Indian decent, not to be confused with those North American red skin savages. :smile:
    Jindah doesn't refer to himself as a hyphenated-American but as just an American.
    Jindah immigrant parents played by the rules and obeyed America's laws.

    Unlike Mexicans who have a "crab mentality" and look at schooling to be nothing but a daycare centers, Indians like Chinese and Japanese Asians take getting an education seriously.

    Before 1965, America's immigration policies were what was best for America, not what was best for the immigrant or one political party that has adopted a cultural-marxist agenda.
     
  11. Lil Mike

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    Your primary idea, that nothing can stop illegals, is a guarantee to increase the size and scope of government. The entire world is filled with people who think government should burp and diaper them (far more so than the average native American). Most governments can't do it of course, even if they want to (Venezuela), but when they come here and eventually get the vote, what do they vote for? More statism. So spare me your phony concern about the size and scope of government. You're baking that into the cake.
     
  12. Brewskier

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    lol, that's always been one of the funniest parts of the libertarian argument on open borders. Ignoring that they are even more left-wing on this topic than most progressives, they fail to understand that by allowing in every 3rd worlder who wants to come here, under the guise of making the Government so small that a country cannot even enforce its own sovereignty, the state will invariably get much larger, due to the characteristics and politics of those immigrants they are letting in. Pure insanity. It's why libertarians are really not much better than progressives.
     
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    Jindal's mother was pregnant when she came into the U.S.
     
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    Doesn't matter if Jindal's mother was pregnant or not. What matters is that liberals have dumbed down the requirements to be POTUS, have changed the definition of "natural born citizen" and keep misinterpreting the Constitution to further their leftist agenda not giving jack (*)(*)(*)(*) what the results will be in the future.

    The lVX Amendment is based on Vattel's, (Law of Nature) "Son follows the condition of his father."

    If Barack Obama's father who was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya, not an immigrant and has unlawful sex with an American minor and she gives birth to little Barack and technically couldn't pass on U.S. citizenship to Barack because she didn't meet U.S. residence requirements at the time and "son follow the condition of his father" is ignored and the progressives use revisionism to change the definition of "natural born citizen."

    I suppose both Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal can also call themselves "natural born citizens" if Obama can. At least Cruz and Jidahl's fathers were legal immigrants at the time they were born.

    It wouldn't surprise at all if the progressive do some more revisionism of the Constitution with the help of federal activist judges who legislate from the bench that the DNC runs Vladimir Putin for POTUS in 2020.
     
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    So we can skew the law a bit to allow YOUR man into the country, but not another?

    For all those who misrepresent my position, let me remind all of you: I am of the opinion that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. That being said, it does not matter to me whether or not the courts misinterpreted the intent of an illegally ratified Amendment.

    When we offer citizenship to other cultures, races, religions and political persuasions, it ends in chaos at the voting booth. As Thomas Jefferson once observed: "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild,(sic)and government to gain ground."

    The Secure the border activists, unable to divide between legitimate laws and tyranny are attempting to build a philosophy around an illegally ratified Amendment to the Constitution. Ultimately if the courts are misinterpreting the 14th Amendment now, they will surely create a FUBAR situation in the future with respect to immigration.

    At the same time, when the reasoning favors the Secure the border activists, they will accept a premise that most of their fellow travelers have tried to sell us on a daily basis. In the end, we will either have a free market based solution OR a big government solution.
     
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    Missing Rohingya children in Bangladesh Spark Trafficking Fears...
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    Rohingya Child Disappearances Spark Trafficking Fears
    April 17, 2017 — A spate of disappearances among the children of displaced Rohingya in Bangladesh is raising fears the children have been abducted into the region’s human trafficking networks.
     
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    Why is the United States the country that has to be responsible for the worlds irresponsible breeding habits?
     
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    Inside the United States it is because we illegally ratified the 14th Amendment

    Outside of the United States, we are the New Jerusalem that city without walls, that shining city on a hill that provides the manpower, money, missionaries and soldiers to fight for Liberty and do the jobs of which our people were destined to do saving those people, clothing them, and administering aid. It is our destiny.
     
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    Well that crap needs to change. Overpopulation is the bane of any country.
     
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    Declare war on Islam and shut the country down. With that done, you will know which pols will vote for a declaration of war and which ones won't. You will then have your answer.

    Barring an effort to amend the Constitution, any law you pass will cost Americans more than the people from foreign countries.
     
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    Overpopulation of the US has nothing to do with 'Islam' and overpopulation will destroy this country from within.
     
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    Bangladesh’s government is moving forward with a plan to relocate Rohingya refugees staying in camps to a remote island. Rohingya refugees are treated as illegal immigrants from Myanmar, who are prevented from “mixing in with local populations.” Rashida's human trafficking story seems to be an isolated case and this VOA article's credibility questionable.
     
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    Yeah you're right, I'm sure. A million new citizens from foreign countries each year has NO impact on our population.
     
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    This is interesting and shows that the 14th Amendment does not cover illegals:

    Source: http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html
     
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    Burdens are burdens and need to be alleviated.
     

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