California passes assisted suicide

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    You still refuse to answer the question intelligently or even show that you can follow the discussion . This was a waste of time.
     
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    You've been answered.
    This is not a physician level skill. Not even close.
     
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    Jarlaxle Banned

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    First responders would much rather you not blow your brains out. It is quite messy.
     
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    California is a living experiment on mass assisted suicide. How's that bullet train coming? Will California be the first state to fail or will it be Illinois?
     
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    I think it either needs to be legal or illegal for anybody. The reason I say that is the Guage of passion and suffering is subjective. Some people can live out their remaining days with terminal cancer, while cronic depression may be to much for people. Who says what is or isn't necessary?

    All kevorkian did was metaphorically "pull the trigger" on someone who wasn't capable of doing it himself. It was deemed murder technically it was.
     
  6. Kode

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    Right! And then it will morph into the duty to kill anyone suspected of being ill !!!

    Then it will morph into the duty to kill anyone who doesn't look right!!

    Then it will morph into the duty to kill anyone you don't like!!!

    WHAT A SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!!!!!!! HELP GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Because that would involve a level of physical strength that a person who feels they cannot bear any more suffering actually has.

    That is why it's called assisted suicide. The person needs physical help to take the drugs that will kill them.

    The argument is that.people are choosing to kill themselves at a time they feel reasonably well.They would rather have a few more months with their loved ones, but are afraid to put it off in case they become too weak to do it.

    That is considered to be unfair.
     
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    I'm all for it. The moment I have to rely on anyone else to perform basic functions I will be ending it peacefully, I really don't see the point in prolonging life further than what is enjoyable. I have thought this for a long time, and I don't consider it morbid.

    I think our attitude towards death is one of our most stifling traits.
     
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    Couldn't physicians refuse?
     
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    No such thing as death panels.. Sarah Palin is a moron..

    There are case management teams that get together in a variety of disciplines to decide the best plan for a patient.
     
  11. Kode

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    In time the right to own a gun will morph into the obligation to use a gun.

    We can both play that idiotic game, Al.
     
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    If you have a right to doctor assisted suicide and there are no doctors to do it because the licensing board prohibits it, what do you do then?
     
  13. Kode

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    It doesn't require a special license as far as I know. Any licensed physician can do it.
     
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    There are some valid concerns that some vulnerable people will get coerced into it if it becomes legal.
    This probably already goes on anyway and we don't know about it. When family expresses their sentiments to the nurses that it would be easier if said family member was dead, and the insurance payments are close to running out, it's not that difficult for an elderly person to conveniently make their transition...
     
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    Which god? slippery slope to what? a very human idea, I believe the right to suicide should be available to all citizens, the conditions would be concerning what qualifies someone to be a citizen
     
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    It does not follow that citizens have a right to unregulated assistance from licensed medical personnel certified by the AMA or state Pharmacy Board or local other licensing organizations to accomplish the goal. That is a separate issue.
     
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    I am talking about changing the criteria concerning what a citizen is and isn't.
     
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    I think you are a bit trapped there outside the fancies of political theory with respect to birthright citizenship. The constitution has a pretty firm grip on that topic via the 14th amendment. You will have to pry the fingers away from decades of precedent formed from SCOTUS and appellate rulings. That leaves naturalization up for debate and that is a total topic derailer. This thread discusses physician assisted suicide. You are stuck with one hell of a radical libertarian position if you want to assert that government has no business regulating the licensure and practice of medicine.
     
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    the argument can be made that assisted suicide falls outside of the realm of medicine.
     
  20. btthegreat

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    Depends on who you have doing the assisting. If it involves the prescribing of a government controlled substance by state licensed and certified medical doctor, your argument is toast. If it involves a brick and your brother, you can. Besides, it is one thing to say that a right to do something yourself, and another to say you have a right to assistance by a third party.
     
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    what about just high doses of aspirin given out by doctors for the express purpose of suicide.
     
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    And of course there must be conditions on how it's done and how the patient confirms the choice. We have had such a law in Oregon for many years and there has been no problems of any sort with it.
     
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    how about you not engage the services of a licensed medical doctor while pretending he is not engaging in the practice of medicine, and collect your own aspirin?
     
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    I had always figured when the time came I'd swallow my .380. I think that being assisted would be much more dignified and would especially be a lot easier on the family members and friends left behind.
     
  25. Kode

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    Agreed. I think it is utterly selfish and horribly inconsiderate to leave family with such a horrible mess to clean up, not to mention the shock of seeing the result.
     

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