Today is a pivotal day in World Politics! WHY?

Today is a very important day for the next decade of Politics in France.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/french-presidential-election-2017-does-work-candidates/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...on-2017-results-latest-polls-odds-tracker-win

Today, April 23, is the day of the run-off election for President of France.

For Decades, the Far-Left Globalist Socialist agenda has ruled without much opposition in most of Europe.

But this time around, there is a significant chance for a magor change of course in French politics.

WHY?

On the subject of the French Presidential election, and the leanings of the French Government in general, I would like to pose a question to the members of the forum.

This is a Serious Question, not a Rhetorical Question. It is a question to which I do not know the answer, and I think that I and many others would benefit from knowing the answer.

To setup the question:

1] I believe that the political analysis of the import of this election in the above links, namely, that this is a critical election, which will set the course of France away from Globalism and Collectivism is correct.

2] I believe that the election between the two political viewpoints is going to be very close, but in the end, the Right-Wing, or Nationalist/Capitalist viewpoint will win the election.

3] I believe that the French Far-Left, like the American Far-Left, will turn to alliances with Radical Islam and extreme violence against the French people, after they lose the election.


So, here is the question:

After decades of Europe being fully under the utopian-siren-song of Global-Collectivism... WHY are enough French people now turning away from Global-Collectivism, and moving to the Right?

What are the top three reasons that Nationalism/Capitalism now has a chance in France, when it did not just four years ago? What Changed?


We, non-Progressives here in America, really need to accurately understand the answer to that question!

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"3] I believe that the French Far-Left, like the American Far-Left, will turn to alliances with Radical Islam and extreme violence against the French people, after they lose the election."

If you're going to ask a "Serious Question" (sic), and not a rhetorical one, you would be well served if you didn't presage it with blatantly false and deliberately incendiary claims like this one.

Flamebait does not indicate that you are the least interested in any sort of Serious discussion.

 

On some points :

1) The french will be always globalist for USA. The motto of France is "liberty, equality, brotherhood"
2) The far right in france share more economical points of view with the left rather than the traditionnal right
3) Absolurely not.

French don't like capitalism, they're angry against their extremly corrupted elites, and have the feeling that the EU make us just poorer and poorer.

We're too small to have a real impact in the world. Furthermore the french and american way of thinking are radically opposed.

 

An accident that your screen image is a Russian bear???

The EU is the best thing to happen to Europe in history. Peace has reigned and prosperity has come to a region decimated by 2 World wars and countless wars preceding them.

The history of wars in can be traced to nationalism - the belief that my country is superior to all others, and if another country has something my country needs, war should be considered to get it.

Think about it - for the vast majority, our nationality is an accident of birth. I am glad I was born in the US, but I would not mind having been born in the EU. I suspect, like my parents before me, if I was in a country that had a bleak future, I might look to get into the US or another country with a promising future - if not for me, then for my children.

A reversal to the nationalism that was a major cause of the world wars would be a huge reversal of the progress that has been made.

The Chief beneficiaries to the rise of nationalism are Russia and Islamic wackos. Both want a divided and weakened Europe.

 

Here is a video in which Tucker Carlson interviews Marie Harf on the subject:



She notes that this election is VERY different that previous elections.

In this video, Carlson explores the issue of Le Pen being labeled "Far-Right", but her positions on most political social issues would not be consider "Right" in America at all.

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Judging from your contributions here on the forum would tend to think the U.S would be the last choice and Socialist would clearly be top choice!

It may have been the "I SUSPECT"

Suspect

 

I think that probably the single biggest factor of the Left losing ground world wide, is this Thang they do:

"If you don't vote for the Left, we will Race-Bait, Dirty-Name-Call, and Vote-Guilt you by an vast Army of Paid Social Media Trolls, until you meekly submit to our Leftie Agenda and publically demonstrate Regret and Political Correctness Compliance!"

People are just fed up with the Leftie Abusive Tactics!

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What??? Gazis (global socialist) teaming up with Jihadist, like the Nazis (national socialist) did in their war against Jews and the west. The left has flooded Europe with their Islamic shock troops and will use them to create ciaos if they lose power. They will blame the Europeans for being Jihadiphobes, and they brought these attacks upon them selves.

 

Even if Le Pen loses, which I sadly suspect she will (in a narrow defeat) after advancing to the second round of voting, her rise is in itself a victory because it provides further evidence that a tectonic shift is taking place across the West. Expect her or a like-minded alternate to win in 2022 because France will never successfully defend and rejuvenate itself under a Left-Wing government in the present circumstances. If Left-Wingers like Macron are the people ruling France then France has no future. Expect more terrorism than France has ever experienced, expect more mass immigration, expect more cultural suicide, this is what the Left offers today in exchange for muh benefitz.

The overton window has shifted substantially to the Right. The days of self-hate and white guilt being the default virtues of a good citizen of a liberal democracy are over. People are waking up and realizing that the instinct of self-preservation is not only acceptable to express but that people have a moral duty to express such self-preservation in the face of civilizational suicide orchestrated by the powers that be.

 

Their some problems with the left here, but you project too much the american policy onthe french one. French and american way of thinking and culyure are radiczlly different.

 

These damn Russian sympathising Communists with their fifth column and the such.

Oh wait this is 2017 and the left not the right. Still the Russians though.

 

Macron is rather centrist for a french. Most leftist here have a lot of defiance for the billionnaires and Macron is the candidate of the billionnaires. The most important aspect of thos election is not something about left or right, it's about the fact that the partis who ruled the country for fifty years (umpfor the right wing, ps for the left wing) have their ass kicked.

Macron is working with the left side of the left wing and the left side of the right wing.

Youcan't siply co sider french policy with the way you consider american french policy.

 

This type of analysis, in detail, is exactly why I made the thread!

You state that their are cultural and thought differences, but do not list any specifics?

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Yeah... I had to LOL about the "Russian Bear" thing!

Talk about desparate!

BTW, the picture of the Bear I use for my Avatar is actually from an American Alaskan Polar Bear living in a cooling water filled exhibit in a New Mexican Zoo.

I love the irreverant purple tongue sticking out!

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Alaska is too close to Russia you fascist scum.

 

The people are fed up with globalism, PC, barbarism and Islamic fascism.
It's a no brainer - this is a survival instinct. Much like high temperature when the body fights a virus, that is trying to take it over.

I hope Le Pen wins. I pray that she wins.

 

Le Penn isn't an individualist conservative candidate.
Not sure what you mean by turning away from collectivism.

 

Exactly the point of the video I posted. Tucker Carlson explores the issue of most of the stances of Le Pen are not what we would call "Conservative" or "Capitalist" in any way!

Yet, it is being reported by the MSM, world-wide, as some sort of Referendum Vote between the concepts of Capitalism vs. Socialism, Far-Right vs. Far-Left?

Well, either the reporting is wrong, and that's not what is going on, or we here in America do not understand the nuances of French Politics... or Both I suppose.

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...Because an open nationalist and an open communist are in the running.
That the stakes are high isn't some kind of media conspiracy.
"Far-right" only has a slight libertarian connotation in the American political landscape.

 

One just needs to look a Venezuela Krumugeon may have a point.

Tareck El Aissami, appointed vp in January of this year. Corrupt, Druze, very close association with terrorist organizations.

The Maduro government has utilized gangs and irregular forced to attack protesters.

Seems like a common theme?

Worth discussion.

Cheers

 

About the differences, for an american point of view France looks like a socialist hell, from a french point of view, USA looks like an individualist hell.

French tend to emphasize most on solidarity, and even the right wing recognize that solidarity is extremly important for the country.

Even if their is fewer and fewer catholics, we are as catholic minded people relatively hostile to money, we don't like people who show off their richness for instance. Money for catholic was and is still considered as corrupting mind. That was the reasons money games were often forbidden, aswell the bank and change activities reserved to jews during the middle age (catholic considered that anyway a jew would go to hell and that jobs related to money would make the people automatically lose their place in the heaven, so they were reserved to jews whose were considered to loose too automatically their place to heaven).

In a general way, french people are more governement people, since a long time, because the french kings tended to have a lot of power.

Their is globally four important forces in France :
central right, central left, far left, far right.

The structure of the political institutions enable four partis, four big way of thinking to coexist. Like in the USA, the country tend to be divided between the left and the right. But we tend more to have 4 big categories in the politics rather than two.

It's ill considered to speak of religion in the political sphere. American president pledge allegiance on the bible, it's barely conceivable that a french politician quote the bible or any religious text in the sassembly.

What's new is not that people reject the left, they tend more to reject the central right and the central left.

Two things really important to consider is that many former right winged president were investiguated for corruption. Jacques Chirac (president 1995-2007) was suspected to have created false jobs to financiate his parti. Everybody knew he did that, his right hand man was sentenced, but he avoided any sentence because of his old age. Nicolas Sarkozy (2007-2012) was suspected of : being a part of corruption system around the 95's with the pakistanis, receiving illegaly money from an old billionnaire, being financed by the former dictator Ghadafi. By the way, he have an army of lawyers and escaped any sentence. Another thing terrible but legal he did is that just after his mandate of president, he did some "conferences" and got paid sometimes 200 000 euros for only one conference. Those conferences were often paid by countries like the Qatar or some banks. The total of the money he got from conferences was around 2 millions. It's rather suspectfull than a former president, just after he finished his mandate receive tons of money from banks, foreign countries and said just common things.
The nowodays candidate of the central right, François Fillon got his wife paid by the governement for around twenty years, if not more, but her wife some years ago declared that she never worked for or with her husband.
Furthermore, when he was a representant of the people, he got a company, where he was the only one employee and got paid totally 2 millions euros for "advices". By the way, it looks like a lot like money laundering

The central left did some things bad too, but right now, the central right have more spectacular cases.

In a general way, people are tired of the conventionnal partis and tend to vote more and more for the extreme.

 

I agree it is a big day for France and the EU...People all over Europe are fed up with the muslim invasion, though most will also deny it if asked, the Bradley Effect seen twice last year in Brexit and the Trump win.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

I expect Le Pen to receive a good 5-10% more votes than the polls show.

 

She is already at 22 % which is in France already rather an excellent score for a first stage.

 

there is no "turning away from collectivism" in france. it is a matter of which collectivism they will embrace, the globalist version or the more local variety. the "individualism" we are striving so desperately to retain here in the states never was a "thing" in most european nations. centuries of absolute monarchy beat that out of their cultures long ago, instilling in the common man a desire to cower within the collective for support.

 

Very interesting. Thank you for the feed back!

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