Trump: 'Why was there the Civil War?'

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    Feeling like a solid Christian doesn't make you one any more than walking into a barn makes you a cow. Actions determine a true Christian. The Christians that were abolitionists and ran the underground railroad were true Christians. In the Bible God never promoted slavery. That's totally man's idea. Read this.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
     
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    Of course, it can work both ways. You underscore my point.

    Moronic, simplistic statements such as,"The north were arrogant cause they had big cities and a lot of money, the south were bitter cause they worked all day long," are laughably absurd.
     
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    He messed up some history. Funny how not a single Liberal called Obama stupid for getting his states mixed up. But that doesn't matter :)
     
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    Yup. That I can agree with. The way you first presented it, I cannot agree with.
     
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    Obama outright and deliberately lied to us, but Democrats don't give a hoot about that. They're the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
     
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    Funny how Trumpies need to constantly dredge up and cling to the past as desperate diversions from current topics pertaining to their Messiah.

    Anyone who addresses a timely issue and inquires, "When is Trump going to keep his promise and come clean with his tax returns?" can expect an hysterical, "Oh, yeah! When is Obama going to produce a birth certificate?"

    Trump says that his investigators (They're on "an island in the Pacific") are making progress:

     
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    And are merely words spoken to fill space when Trump can't put a thought together.
     
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    Y'all obviously need to be reminded how utterly stupid Obama was.
     
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    I presented it as an illustration of the gross distortion of reality that was in the statement upon which it was a commentary.

    You did the same.
     
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    Pretty damn arrogant of you to think you are the arbiter of who is and who isn't a "real Christian."

    Do you do this for all religions?
     
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    Nope, not arrogant at all. Jesus told us how to tell who is a real Christian and a wolf in sheep's clothing. The Bible tells us we will know them by their fruit, what they produce. Slavery is not Christian. Period.
     
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    Your fixation and peevishness may be based upon Obama finishing the two terms to which he was popularly elected with 59% approval from the American people, and your Messiah's current 42%.
     
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    Whatever. Obama didn't even know how many states there are and pronounced corpsman as corpse man. To top it off he lied about health care. His popularity proves that a large segment of the American people don't care about government corruption. As long as they get that freebie....disgusting and pitiful.
     
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    Yes, you are pretty damn arrogant.

    Pretty damn judgemental

    and Slavery is Biblically sanctioned. This is not debatable.
     
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    And you're biblically ignorant. God doesn't promote slavery. Men also had multiple wives, but God never promoted that. You're totally a fool and biblically illiterate. Give us the scripture where God promotes slavery. You can't. God instructs on treatment of slaves and to be humane, but never says slavery is His will. Do you understand the difference between allowed behavior and the will of God. Fool.
     
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    So what would the majority of white men in the South have done for work if the future factories used slave labor? They didn't need that many guys walking around with whips in their hands.
     
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    You are so, so wrong, Mr. Banned.

    I can only draw from this you are very young, or very poorly educated.

    Trump loves the poorly educated.
     
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    Give me the scripture where God says slavery is His will. Fool.
     
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    "The so-called Good Book explicitly, repeatedly and unequivocally endorses and approves of slavery, presenting it as an institution directly sanctioned by God. Consider the following passage from Leviticus, which is one of a long list of instructions spoken by God to Moses:

    “Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever.”

    —Leviticus 25:44-46

    The idea that human beings can be bought and sold like possessions, and that this state should last in perpetuity, is a repugnant one that lies at the root of all the cruelties and inhumanities associated with slavery. But perhaps the Bible teaches that slaveowners should be kind and gentle to their servants, and the cruelty is a later development? Not quite:

    “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.”

    —Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)

    Not only does the Bible explicitly allow beating your slaves, it allows you to beat them to death, just as long as the slave does not immediately expire from the beating but lingers for a few days before dying. Can anyone dispute the savagery of such a law? Can anyone dispute that a book that teaches such things deserves the allegiance of no good person?

    But the verses cited so far are all from the Old Testament. Surely Jesus, who taught a gospel of love and compassion, would have cast aside these cruel laws just as he nullified many other parts of the Mosaic law?

    If you think so, you’re bound to be disappointed. Although Jesus abrogates the Old Testament provisions on kosher dining and not working on Sabbath days, he has not a word to say about the injustice of slavery. In fact, on one occasion he works slavery into a parable as if it were the most natural thing in the world, favorably comparing God to a slaveholder who beats his slaves for not obeying him:

    “The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

    —Luke 12:46-47

    But even if the Bible does not explicitly condemn slavery in general, surely it commands Christians not to personally participate in this cruel custom, and to set free any slaves they may own? Nope:

    “Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit.”

    —1 Timothy 6:1-2

    In fact, as the above passage shows, the biblical authors considered it blasphemous for a slave to disobey or dishonor his owner – as if rebelling against slavery was sin against God.

    These verses and others like them were not overlooked by slaveholders of the American antebellum. On the contrary, in the period leading up to the American Civil War, Southern slaveholders repeatedly cited these verses against abolitionists, as proof that slavery was a just and proper institution sanctioned by God. (Indeed, the Southern Baptist Convention – the largest Protestant denomination in the United States – was formed expressly to defend the continued practice of slavery.) Consider the following sermon, “Mutual Relation of Masters and Slaves as Taught in the Bible“, which was preached by one Joseph Wilson in the First Presbyterian Church of Augusta, Georgia in January 1861:

    Now, we have already seen that the Holy Spirit employs words which He [sic] has intended to be understood as distinctly enunciating the existence of domestic servitude—that He has sent to all the world a volume of truth, which is indisputably addressed to men who hold slaves and to the slaves who possess masters—and that, from the connections in which these highly suggestive words occur, He has included slavery as an organizing element in that family order which lies at the very foundation of Church and State.

    Wilson’s sermon argues at length for the scriptural foundation of slavery, and the truth is, he is absolutely correct. Slavery unequivocally is taught throughout the Bible. The abolitionists who opposed it – who were both religious and secular – were on the right side morally, as everyone now recognizes; but theologically, the slaveholders had the upper hand. Only by sweeping these verses under the carpet could a religious case be made for abolition.

    In the era in which the Bible was written, slavery was a common and natural part of society."
     
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    Trump is pushing Jackson so that he can kill putting Tubman on the $20 bill. The idea of looking at a black person on his money is enough to give him a heart attack.
     
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    Fact: We know, as absolute fact

    generation upon generation, discrimination was justified on biblical grounds --

    Perhaps some reading would fill the bill.

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    Title: "Defence Of Southern Slavery. Against The Attacks of
    Henry Clay And Alex'r. Campbell,
    In Which Much Of The False Philanthropy And Mawkish Sentimentalism Of

    The Abolitionists Is Met And Refuted. In Which

    It Is Moreover Shown That The Association Of The White

    And Black Races In The Relation Of Master And Slave

    Is The Appointed Order Of God, As Set Forth In

    The Bible, And Constitutes The Best Social

    Condition Of Both Races, And The Only

    True Principle Of Republicanism
    .

    By A Southern Clergyman."

    Pamphlets like these blanketed the South, newspapers glorified it and from the lecterns the leading men in the South belted out all varying versions of the Relation Of Master And Slave Is The Appointed Order Of God, As Set Forth In The Bible,

    These things are a matter of record.
     
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    Here' a Southern Christian using the bible to defend it, and "tradition" ...maybe you've heard of him...

    "If slavery be a sin, it is not yours. It does not rest on your action for its origin, on your consent for its existence. It is a common law right to property in the service of man; its origin was Divine decree."
    ~Jefferson Davis

    "African slavery, as it exists in the United States, is a moral, a social, and a political blessing."
    ~Jefferson Davis

    "My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be."
    ~Davis

    "[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts."
    ~Davis

    "It [slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...

    it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...

    it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts...Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God - let him go to the Bible...
    I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation...Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized, sanctioned everywhere.".

    ~Jefferson Davis
     
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    Of course the Bible sanctions slavery because the Israelites/Jews think that every Gentile will become their slaves.

    Isaiah 14:1-2 (CEB) = "1 The Lord will have compassion on Jacob, will again choose Israel, and will give them rest in their own land. Immigrants will join them, and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 2 The peoples will take them and will bring them to their own place. The house of Israel will possess them as male and female slaves in the Lord’s land, making captives of their captors and ruling their oppressors."
     
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    That's the thing, they are not easily deflected. The takeaway here is that trump will pontificate at length about things that he really doesn't know. The problem is that he doesn't seem to know what he doesn't know. Therefore, how can you take anything he says as truth? We've already seen this play out several times. "I know more than the generals" "Who knew healthcare was so complicated" "Why aren't people asking why the civil war happened"

    The man is simply not fit to be potus.
     
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