The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what entity has miraculously preserved it' content in spite of all those that viciously hate it and want it removed from the face of the earth?? There is a unifying Spirit behind it's preservation which you are probably blind to as well as a great effort to preserve it's accuracy.
     
  2. dairyair

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    You know, the Koran and the Book of Mormons are the latest Revelations from God.
    Yet many reject those words of God.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your strawman is ridiculous'
    The secular humanist society that you proclaim, bows to the whims of human nature. It always has and always will. Yes....you feel you are the enlightened One that will usher in the new age of Aquarius...... but get real! Many have gone before you. Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world". It is not by any means the content between your ears that will "make the lion lie down with the lamb." It is the change that needs to take place in the "inner man" that will bring that about. Your thoughts are inadequate.
    It's not by strength and not by might but by my "spirit" says the Lord.
    The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah already tried it your way.
     
  4. ecco

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    Care to show a quote or two from those books to prove your point?
     
  5. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Book of Mormon was presented by one man at one time. I am sure the Koran is a similar case. The Bible is an accumulation of Books comprised of letters, gospels, prophecies, songs written over a span of thousands of years. Many authors were involved but a single common thread runs through it all. The Spirit of an Almighty God inhabits the content and it is the instruction sheet for life. Through it we learn from the mistakes of others and introspectively learn from our own mistakes. When we make a sincere study of it's content as a whole we see the Love God has for all His creation and how He desires our well being in spite of our rebellious nature.
    Why wouldn't a Loving Creator of all that is preserve through time a collection that would move us toward Holiness when we approach it with a spirit of humility with a desire to change our own hearts?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is"living" in the sense that reading it for decades reveals new and exciting revelations in different ways each time it is read. Everything we need to know about our purpose is contained within it's pages, and is revealed to those that diligently and honestly seek it out.
     
  7. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's one I'll throw out if you don't mind.....
    Galatians 2:20 It is by Grace you are save through faith, not by works lest no man can boast. It is a free gift from God.
     
  8. dairyair

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    This love, for all its creation, includes wiping them all out but for ark creatures. Some love there.

    And the kicker on this, is this creator, knew all this before the creation. According to the story and it's omniscience.
     
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  9. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    The Noah story is an application of the First Commandment, which directs genocide. One of its purposes is to show the need for complete obedience when it comes to killing. It's the foundation for all of the subsequent slaughters in the Bible.
     
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    The humans who came to this conclusion were close, but they needed to go a little further.

    The mind works in two ways, simultaneously. What you refer to as the whims of human nature, is the thinking aspect of mind. Monkey mind as the Buddhist call it. These are all the thoughts that the mind keeps producing, and that you chase. No one knows where they come from, but they seem to form story, and that story is what you think of as yourself. But, as you said,"Your thoughts are inadequate." So, there is the observing aspect of mind. This is awareness. If you can confront the world with your awareness, you are living by what these humans called, "spirit". The mistake they made is that both are human, but they are just the two different aspects of our mind.
     
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    Say what?? I don't even know where to start with this nonsense, so I won't.
     
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    No one has ever denied that people are capable of building cranes without knowing physics.
     
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    If you simply choose to believe that Paul made up everything and you choose to reject Christianity, then you can do that and there is no point in debating the rest of your comments pertaining to Christianity.
     
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    Romans is Pauls formal argument that salvation is through faith, not works. Romans is a classical formal argument called a scholastic diatribe, its a structure in which an argument is presented, then justified, then examples, then address counter claims, then restate the arguement

    Galatians is an earlier explanation by Paul of salvation through faith not works.

    Read Ephesians, Ephesians 2:8 " For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.

    In Acts 10, Peter dreams of a sheet filled with all kinds of animals, Peter is told to kill and eat, Peter responds with “Surely not, Lord! I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” Peter later understands later that God is telling him that salvation is also for Gentiles and that the Mosaic Law is no longer required.

    In Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem, in which it was unanimously decided that Gentiles need not follow the Mosaic Law because salvation was through faith not works.

    Read James, in which James (the leader of the Church in Jerusalem, and who in Acts agreed that Gentiles need not obey the Mosaic Law because salvation was through faith not works) argues that salvation is through faith but true salvation is demonstrated through good works. Salvation is achieved through faith, and a saved person lives their faith in works - that should be obvious.

    Pauls standard tactic was to go to a place that none of the other Apostles had visited, go to the synagogue, preach salvation through faith, get thrown out, preach in the streets that salvation was through faith, get beat up and thrown out of town. Its covered in most of Pauls letters.

    Read the New Testament, its all about salvation through faith.
     
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    As you said, you either believe what is clearly written, or you don't.
    James 2:24 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
    http://www.acatholicthinker.net/sola-fide/

    As I stated, Battle3 does not consider Catholics to be Christians since they do not not adhere to the concept of Sola fide.

    However, there are some who would question battle3's claim of Christianity since he does adhere to Sola fide, rejecting the quote from James 2:24
     
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    Holy nonsense batman. I did not say Christianity was Judaism.

    James 2 states that those who believe in salvation by faith alone are foolish.
    Martin Luther - the fellow - the founder of Protestantism - wanted James removed from the Bible because of this.

    Peter is a Pseudepigrapha = not written by Peter.

    Even Paul talks about works when it comes to brass taxes.

    Gosh what a bunch of hooey.

    Once again. There is a reason why only 80% of Christianity rejects sola fide.

    If you are going to bring up some author - then post what he has to say... a smart person realizes that mentioning some author without mentioning what that author has to say is fallacy by definition.

    You seriously need some material that is not fallacy or complete misrepresentation.
    "James" .. Holy Carp that was rich ... the guy spends nearly a chapter railing against Sola Fide.
     
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    Thank you for enlightening me on this matter :)
     
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    :roflol:

    Thank you for proving my point that your Stone Age dogma has failed to evolve and be relevant in today's society.
     
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    Why did your imaginary "loving creator" create diseases that cause small innocent children to suffer and die through no "mistake" of their own?
     
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    :roflol:

    So what you are actually saying is that your bible contains so many contradictions that it can be "interpreted" to mean anything anyone wants it to mean at any given time. No wonder it was used to justify slavery, racism and the holocaust. :eek:
     
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    Yes but only Christianity has the Son of God himself in it, how kool is that..:)
    Congrats on saying you're a Christian, because Jesus has now spoken your name to God with his own lips-
    Jesus said:-"Say you're mine in front of people,and I'll say I'm yours in front of my Father" (Matt 10:32)
    Plus of course you get your own guardian angels for the rest of your life..:)-

    "God shall give his angels charge over you to keep you safe" (Psalm 91:11)

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    Of course there isn't. You can't. You'll fall flat on your face trying to do so.

    And you know you will never find a passage of Jesus saying he is 'The Son of God'.
     
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    Per Saul the persecutor. Not Jesus, the savior.
     
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    Actually there is this passage in Luke;

    It is worth noting that it is a Jewish Blasphemy punishable by death to make the claim to be the son of god. Furthermore Luke was big buddies with Saul/Paul who had an agenda to destroy the Jews. James, the brother of Jesus, in the Qumran Scrolls called Saul/Paul the "man of the lie" for peddling this blasphemy about Jesus.
     
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