The Basics, Abortion is a Homicide, Face that Fact

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    Prove it..:)
     
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    If I do will you admit you are wrong?
     
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    It depends how you define "brain dead" in fetuses. I admit they can't recite Shakespeare..:)
     
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    Nope. Same brain scan as a brain dead patient until between week 24 and 27
     
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    A brain dead patient with no hope of recovery can morally be switched off (for example I gave the docs permission to switch off my braindead elderly mother 20 years ago), but a fetus is a whole new ball game because it'll grow out of its braindead state to become a fully-functional human being.
    It seems a pity to deny it that life by aborting it.
     
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    Except its inside another person and poses a threat to that person's health (every single time) so I think she gets the ok to switch it off too.
     
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    Yes I said earlier that abortion is probably morally okay if the mothers health is at risk, or if scans show it'd be born severely handicapped mentally and/or physically.
    A local handicapped charity sometimes wheels such patients along the seafront here in Plymouth UK in wheelchairs, they're little more than drooling vegetables and in my opinion should have been aborted to free their souls from their useless bodies.
     
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    Its always at risk....every single time.
     
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    Yes I suppose pregnancy always carries a slight risk as does crossing the road, but I'm talking about the women who develop serious life-threatening complications during pregnancy, I don't think any of us would deny them the right to abort in such cases.
    PS- Anyway even if a mother and fetus are okay, why doesn't she simply give birth to it anyway and put it in an orphanage if she doesn't want it, as surely that's better than killing it?
     
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    Maybe she does not want to go thru the pain and discomfort and put her life on hold for nine months. Of course this will never happen to you so its fine
     
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    Your inability to comprehend logic and your hysterical attack on me just proves you're running on empty.

    I'll try logic one more time but then you'll have to fight with yourself.


    I am NOT the party trying to say "all life is precious" , that is the Republican party. I never said that.

    Are you following so far?

    I do NOT have to back up a statement I never made.

    Are you confused by now? Those were really big sentences.



    I could tell you a long story like the defensive Repubs in here as to what they ALLEGEDLY do...but how would you know it's true, you wouldn't....


    I suppose if I told you I received a Nobel prize you'd believe it........:roll:
     
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    Why doesn't a woman go through 9 months of pregnancy, including the pain and damage to her body, the financial loss, the possible job loss, career and educational setbacks ? Maybe because she isn't STUPID. Why should a woman go through all that just to give up a kid to somone else and make YOU feel all warm and fuzzy??



    Educate yourself:


    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
     
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    She should have thought about that before she got herself preggers..;)
     
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    I know. That guy with lung cancer should have thought of that when he wanted a cigarette.
     
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    Uh, I know you don't know much about abortion but you really think women get themselves pregnant?


    ...and NO, no woman has an obligation to not get pregnant. She has no obligation to use birth control and if she has an unwanted pregnancy she just gets an abortion.

    :)
     
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    When a Rep is called out on their claim to care about human life, you like my posts and join in the fun. When your claim is challenged, you dance the same dance they do. You are the one who attacked; not me. It was your attempt to insult Reps that revealed your true intentions. You don't give a damn about the less fortunate and are in no position to criticize anyone for their position on Welfare. On this issue, your status as a hypocrite is sealed. That is one prize you have earned.
     
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    What gives you the right to force a girl who hasn't finished high school yet to drop out and work minimum wage jobs all of her life just to raise a "healthy fetus" that you won't lift a finger to help once it is born?

    What gives you the right to force a woman who already has small children to raise yet another "healthy fetus" that you won't lift a finger to help once it is born?

    What gives you the right to force a woman who is in an abusive relationship to raise a "healthy fetus" that you won't lift a finger to help once it is born?
     
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    What gives a woman the right to kill an unborn child?
     
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    Abortion has occurred throughout recorded history and probably long before then too.

    Your bible even documents an abortion procedure for women to undergo.

    Women have that right because it is their bodies and not yours.

    You don't get to dictate what happens inside someone else's body. Should I have the right to dictate that you must donate one of your kidneys or one of your eyes? What would give me that right?

    Your rights END where other's begin. Her body, her rights. Deal with it.
     
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    The fact that it's in her body, The End :)
     
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    ..Your bible even documents an abortion procedure for women to undergo...
    ..Your rights END where other's begin. Her body, her rights. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]

    1- The Bible is unclear about abortion either way.
    2- Her body, your sperm..:)
     
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    1- The Bible is unclear about abortion either way.
    2- Her body, your sperm..:)[/QUOTE]



    I didn't get your "response" "her body , your sperm"(?)

    but nice cherry picking!

    Want to address the entire post?



    """""""Abortion has occurred throughout recorded history and probably long before then too.

    Your bible even documents an abortion procedure for women to undergo.

    Women have that right because it is their bodies and not yours.

    You don't get to dictate what happens inside someone else's body. Should I have the right to dictate that you must donate one of your kidneys or one of your eyes? What would give me that right?

    Your rights END where other's begin. Her body, her rights. Deal with it."""
     
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    1- The Bible is unclear about abortion either way.
    2- Her body, your sperm..:)[/QUOTE]

    Your bible documents your deity ORDERING his chosen people to perform late term abortions. Nothing in the least bit "unclear" about that.

    "Your" sperm becomes hers as soon as it leaves your body. You can't recall it and you cannot dictate what happens to it after you have given it away.
     
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    My position is crystal clear and unshakeable, it's not open for debate..:)
    Namely abortions are probably okay if there are complications that seriously threaten the womans health, and they're probably okay if scans show the baby would be born severely handicapped mentally and/or physically.
     
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    Can you tell us which specific passage you're referring to so we can examine it in context?
     
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