100% increase of children and teens who want a sex change

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  1. Skruddgemire

    Skruddgemire Well-Known Member

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    For some? Perhaps. I doubt it for the majority. Considering what the people who transition have to go through...I can't imagine willingly going through all of that just for the sake of a trend.


    As acceptance grows, more and more people are willing to come out as trans. It's really no different than when homosexuality became more and more accepted and as a result homosexuals increasingly became more willing to come out of the closet.


    Yes and no. On one hand it is their bodies and therefore they know them better than I do. However I don't feel that it's something they should be looking into until they're legal adults.


    Worried? No. Watchful to make sure that parents aren't trying to push their children into roles they're not wanting to go into...yes, but only if/when it becomes a problem.
     
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    1. Absolutely. This is evident in the amount of social media glorifying and glamorizing people that are "being strong" through some sort of faux-trans period. The Jenner effect had a lot to do with it. I doubt most people even had any idea what it was prior to seeing it on the news. Everyone wants to be in the spotlight for something, and that causes these trends.

    2. Liberal control educational institutions, for the most part. Children are more susceptible to trends than adults are, so it shouldn't be a surprise that children are trying to get `with it` more than adults.

    3. Absolutely under no circumstances. I wouldn't allow a mentally ill patient with a knife to perform surgery on themselves, nor would I allow a child, who has not yet fully developed, to undergo this process. What these people choose to do as legal adults, however, is ENTIRELY their choice.

    4. It's not worrying if it stops being sensationalized.
     
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    There was no prohibition of transgenders
     
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    Well, if their parents have had them on puberty blockers since they were 12, and hormones to grow tits, one could argue their choice has been heavily influenced by the actions of their parents by the time they get to make the decision at 18 .
     
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    You're correct, which is why I'd personally classify what you listed as illegal as well. I personally believe any parent that does this to their kid should be in a gulag.
     
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    Okay, let's allow our kids to explore. Ice cream for breakfast, the highway for playtime, and torture for the family dog. But hey, little johnny is allowed his full range of expression!

    Our freaking JOB is to guide our kids away from things which will hurt them. What's the matter with you?
     
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    Is that literally how you see my POV? Letting lil' Johnny explore if he likes vacuuming is equivalent to letting him play in traffic during rush hour? Letting Nancy wear a pantsuit is the same as eating ice cream for breakfast? (Though, you should try that at least once.... it's fun for a giggling/hooky kind of day.)

    I don't see the issue of letting boys bake and girls mow the lawn. These don't equate with letting them play in traffic and eat poison.
     
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    Gosh, who would've guessed that people would be more comfortable coming out and being themselves now that society is generally more accepting and they have laws protecting them.
     
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    Letting them be themselves is hurting them? That's pretty depressing. I'm glad there are more parents who are loving enough not to compare their child's identity to a scoop of ice cream.
     
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    You know that only .3% of the population is transgendered right? This increase may be due to people being less afraid of being transgendered because of less discrimination and more people likely to be open about being transgendered.
     
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    This is a combination of two things:
    - the increasingly vacuous state of our society leading young people on the unending quest to find a way to be fulfilled in an atmosphere that isnt promoting hard work, family values, internal contentment or a spiritual connection to the universe.
    -the chemical slurry of hormone mimickers in pesticides, preservatives, food coloring, plastic containers, fragrances, clothing and a hundred other sources cumulatively amounts to a biological attack on us, and especially our developing youth.
    The 'gender confused' are victims of our morally bankrupt and chemically altered society.
     
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    Sometimes Mum and Dad don't know everything in the world.
     
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    Yes that is our job. However that is not even close to what most people mean when they say "let our kids explore." What's wrong about a boy wanting to learn how to bake? What's wrong about a boy who wants to learn how to cross stitch? What's wrong about a girl who wants to learn how to work on a car? What's wrong with a girl that wants to learn Heavy Fighting in the SCA?

    How is any of that exploration the equivalent of "playing in traffic" or "torturing small animals"? Yes it's our job to keep them safe, but if a child comes up to a parent and says "I want to try this activity" and it has a reasonable level of risk (and remember that cooking has risks)...what reason could we have to not let them explore those possibilities?

    If we don't let them explore, they're going to grow up afraid to do anything and are going to turn into some pretty dull adults.
     
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    You are spot-on!!!
     
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    I'd say none of the activities you listed have anything to do with gender. I think it has more to do with tradition.

    Believe it or not I've seen parents flip out over their boys wanting to do things traditionally assigned to women

    Or they are going to go wild upon leaving their parents control, or they'll associate activities with gender.
     
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    There is no such male, of course.
     
  17. Skruddgemire

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    I've met a few. I sat across a table and talked for hours with a trans-woman. At no point did I ever suspect that she was trans. I even saw her later that night wearing a t-shirt and panties and she still never made me think that she wasn't born a woman.

    Just because you've never met one who transitioned that well...doesn't mean that they don't exist.
     
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    No, you haven't.

    Your point being...?

    To be sure - though what the hell that has to do with anything I said is a complete mystery.
     
  19. Skruddgemire

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    Presumptuous much? I have met two male to female transgendered people who do not look anything like the males they used to be. I have a few friends who it's quite obvious are in transition...but those two look and act like females

    That in spite of your belief, there are people who feel like they are in the wrong gendered body and need to make as much of a change as they can given current levels of medical technology.

    You said that no such male exists...I disagreed based on my experiences.
     
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    In general no, but I assume that there is some kid out there who is the exception to the rule.


    I suspect an increase in knowledge on the issue and a relaxing of social norms leading to higher levels of social acceptance that previously.


    I leave that up to experts in the field to figure out in an objective scientific way.


    Currently, no. But my mind is open to change pending the introduction of new information that may or may not sway me to the positive or negative.
     
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    Presumption is not always contraindicated, FYI.

    I don't give a damn if you've met two thousand.

    See the problem?

    but not on the basis of having met or failed to meet anyone. Hope that clears things up for you.
     
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    Yes, it clearly states your stance on the transgendered.
     
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    I don't. Feelings are a big part of humanity.
     
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    When the activity you're 'encouraging' has a 40% death rate (or whatever the horrifyingly high suicide rate is), then yes. And we weren't talking about kids baking and lawn mowing.
     
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    Great. What the world needs is more parents who 'let kids be themselves'. Children raising children. And if you think letting kids do whatever they want is a sign of love, I hope you don't have kids.

    PS: the fact that you think consistent guidance (away from harmful habits/actions) is 'depressing' makes you sound like a dysfunctional 14 year old who hates his/her parents.
     
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