Rating the Presidents

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    He actually did stay out of Syria and didn't attack Assad. He is bombing ISIS but they deserve it. Libya could have been done better but it wasn't like they were doing worse than they are now.
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Notice a lot of Bush years in there too? The economy just hasn't been the same in the 21st century.
     
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    All of the mid and late 1800's US Presidents were brutal towards the Indians.

    That's because it was not politically feasible to do anything for them.

    If they would not go to the reservations voluntarily they needed to be forced.

    This genocide was a sad era in American history.

    The US was no better than the Nazi's or the Turks or the Serbs.
     
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    Reagan's economy was stimulated by massive deficit spending on defense. This was the same way Adolf brought Germany out of their Depression.

    Reagan's economy was doomed to fail eventually because military spending does not support infrastructure.

    GHW Bush suffered from the inevitable decline of Reaganomics.

    Clinton's economy was doomed too because it was based on the inflation of real estate as bolstered by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. GW Bush eventually suffered from its collapse.

    So you can't really blame father and son Bush for their bad luck. They were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    I don't blame either one for that.

    I do blame GHW for invading Iraq, which was foolishness.

    And I do blame GW for his yellow cake lies to invade Iraq again.

    In that respect both of them were inept.
     
  5. Liberty4Ransom

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    Yep, and Obama's numbers were really no more impressive than Bush 43's.
    Both inherited a mess, Obama's being a more dire.
    Both had disastrous foreign policies, Bush's being worse, and yet Obama was pretty much Bush lite.
    So when you compare the two, realistically Bush would be a one, and Obama a 2 maybe.
     
  6. Yandy

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    Looks like Obama honeydicked you. He was corrupted the moment he took that wall street cash to fund his election. He didn't jail them so they gave him an easy 400k for playing ball. O and his wall street reform is better than nothing but it is still garbage. So I guess him killing a **** ton of innocent people in the Middle East is not much worse off in your book. Ok got it...
     
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    You @Distraff have a pretty good sense of Presidential history.

    You and I just disagree about what is good and bad about it.

    Ike knew that war with China was dangerous because the USSR had bombers that could nuke the USA and they were protective of China back then. So he had to back out of that war.

    MacArthur was a mad dog for crossing the 38th parallel and pushing into N.Korea at which time he became the aggressor. He should have stopped at the 38th.
     
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    I am getting that you @Yandy are an anti BHO fanatic.

    I normally put those on my iggy list.

    If you keep this sh!t up I will.
     
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    Dumb:rolleyes:
     
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    I dislike him but I wouldn't even put him in my top 10 most hated politicians list...
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    Obama got his stimulus and got his Obamacare. Both were failures. Then he would not work with Republicans after theg took the house even though they were more than willing to do so heck he couldn't even work well with Democrars as even they wouldn't even conside his bidgets. He was jhst a lousy President and should be at the bottom of the list.
     
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    It was a bad recession, the was the massive dot.com bubble that burst, that can be partly attributed to Clinton who was scaring the ckmpanies and investors when he dsclared Microsoft too big and he was gojng to break it up. Then there was 911 and the hit the econony took just as it was coming out of the recession. But his response was mostly correct and helped to mitigate the damage and get us onto a full recovery. His and the congress's mistake was the phase in of the tax rate cuts. Once they accelerated that and fully implimented then we had 52 months of solid growth with full employment at average LFPR, rising incomes, rising productivity, soaring tax revenues and the last Republican deficit of a paltry $161B. The worst unemployment number during that was just 6.5% for one month. And as far as job creation you do need to nor can you grow job numbers when everyone is already working. By the time 2089 came around we were due for a slowdown/recession. Unfortuniately the Democrats did NOT offer the proper policies and thus the failed recovery.

    Correct. But the Republican congresss went along with Bush and with good results. Then the Democrat congress went along with Obama to bad results.
     
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    Well a lot of people hate a lot of people.

    When you hate it is best to look at yourself as well and see why you might be hating anybody.

    I suppose Dubya is the POTUS that I like the least, most because he and Cheney lied so much. But I don't hate Dubya or Cheney either.

    Back to BH Obama -- his presidency only accomplished 3 things. It was obstructed by McConnell and Boehner from accomplishing anything else.

    First BHO stepped up CIA drone strikes together with the USAF and killed more AQ and IS leaders than Dubya before him.

    Second, he kept the CIA focused on UBL and killed him, finally, without getting side tracked on Iraq like Dubya had.

    And third, he passed ACA. This has caused a lot of people's insurance to go up, but that is how insurance works. When more people get enrolled, the costs are going to go up. If that's why you hate BHO then you should hate insurance and also the whole DEM Party as well.

    ACA puts BHO in the league with FDR and LBJ as the 3 best Presidents that the US has ever had. But there are people who hate all 3. The John Bircher's hate FDR to this day. The Nam Vets hate LBJ for botching the Viet Nam War.

    And those who don't understand insurance hate BHO.

    C'est la vive.
     
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    History judges presidents!
     
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    I think once you have genocide on your legacy, you lose the right to be considered a good president.
     

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