Targeting Businesses That Discriminate Against Homosexuals. Justified?

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  1. Davide

    Davide Active Member

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    The targeting of establishments that operate with discriminatory business practices in order to prompt legal action is a well documented occurrence on this forum space. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with public accommodation laws, I would like to pose a question. Are these actions justified?

    The most clear parallel I believe I can draw are drug bust operation. Both in posing as a buyer or a seller, the officers involved operate with the intent of drawing a person into committing a crime. When a person or group targets a business that they know will violate public accommodation laws, I believe they are acting much in the same way as the officers mentioned above?

    I understand that there are some stark differences; police officers are an organization where curbing crime is its job where as activists are not, also there are considerable differences between the severity of the crimes committed. But whether you agree with drug laws or public accommodation laws, the perpetrators are violating the law, should legal action not be taken?
     
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    Here in Britain, pairs of "militant" gays sting christian guest house owners by going in to book a room and deliberately start kissing at reception. The owner says "Sorry, you can't stay here", so they toddle off with big smiles on their faces to instruct their lawyers to sue the owners for "discrimination".
    As I've said before, militant gays are often their own worst enemies by alienating the general public against them and getting all gays a bad name.
     
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    Should jewlery stores be allowed to deny the man with only 1$ on his bank account a diamond collar for his wife? Should the Koscher baker be allowed to deny the NatSoc a Swastika-shaped bagel? Should the mosque be allowed to deny a woman in her bikini to enter prayers?

    Of course private companies should be allowed to deny people they don't like their service(s). The beauty of a free market is that there are always plenty of alternatives to choose from - If one barista refuses to sell you an Espresso, go to the next one. Simple as that.

    Discrimination exists on a market, they go hand in hand. Even you as customer are guilty of discrimination each time you go to the store to buy a Coke as this makes you guilty of discriminating against Pepsi and Dr.Pepper.
     
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    The first story that really made headlines I don't think was a sting. The story is a little more complicated than a bakery refusing service.

    But yes absolutely I think that some of these activists go out looking for people to mess with. Notice it's never a Muslim bakery or florist that gets attacked.

    The LGBT is acting a little too much lately. As a homosexual myself I think it's time to dissolve the LGBT we're just people now. It seems to be occurring organically from what I am observing. Accommodation laws will always be bones on contention, as a libertarian I disagree with all Accommodation laws.but they likely won't be going anywhere soon.
     
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    Is it a well-documented occurrence? I’m aware of a number of discrimination cases that have been reported on and I’m aware of accusations of some being targeted “stings” but is there any actual proof of people pre-planning them?

    As a general rule I’d say not, certainly not by random members of the public or private organisations. There could be an argument for the authorities responsible for policing anti-discrimination laws but I’m not convinced the seriousness would justify the expense.
     
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    I would have to say that no...the actions are not justified.

    Case in point, my friend's business. He had a gay couple come into his store just as he was closing up. They were kissing and holding hands and were acting very over the top and flamboyant. They were really perpetuating the stereotype levels of "gay".

    He asked them to leave since he was closing the store early since his wife was going into labor. Which I think is a very valid reason for a one-man storefront to close earlier than normal hours of operation.

    They fired off with "You're kicking us out? Refusing us service? We're going to sue." and left. My friend went to the computer and pulled that bit from the security feeds then left.

    Sure enough, about a week later, he received a summons and he had to go to court. He took the security footage and showed the court. He won his case since the footage clearly showed him saying "I'm sorry, I'm closing early 'cause my wife went into labor. I'm going to have to ask you to leave and come back another time." He also won damages to make up for the lawyer fees and the lost income for losing a day's work.

    So no. I do not think they're justified in what they're doing since it's so easy to target a business for a frivolous lawsuit.
     
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    I boycott any business which panders to the transgender thing.
     
  8. Polydectes

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    I believe in meritocracy when it comes to commerce.
     
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    To be fair to them, they are just using it to sell more of their product and do not really give a damn about the group as such (being "pro-trans" is super-cool and enlightened these days, you know and can probably earn you as a company some subsidies).
     
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    Not really what they're talking about. Of course you have the right to go to another business establishment if the one you don't like is doing something that you do not like. I boycotted a certain fast food chain because what happened to me 20 years ago and corporate's response to my complaint.

    What they're talking about here would be as if you went into a trans-friendly store, deliberately acted in such a manner so as to be thrown out of the store in such a way that you could argue to the judge when you filed charges that they kicked you out because of their intolerance of you and your feelings regarding the trandgendered.

    Simply not feeling like going into said store is not the discussion at hand.
     
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    Justified, shumstified. In America, people can shop or not shop at a store or other establishment for whatever reasons they want. People 'boycott' all kinds of stores for a for all kinds of reasons. That's my final word on this. I will now be boycotting this thread from hereon. Oh my...is that 'justified'?
     
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  12. Polydectes

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    I buy a product or service from a company that offers the best for the money I'm willing to pay. The Politics of their people don't even register.
     
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    I have a life boycott of certain fast food chain (BK) because I once ordered a vegetarian burger and it came with bacon. I found out AFTER biting into it. The corp office response was pathetic.

    Meantime, boycotts are our own little personal protest. If I boycott T@rget, that's a potential 50 years of my and my family's money not spent there. Not that I'm a T@rget shopper by habit (they're expensive in this country .. oddly), but even occasional visits from a single family could amount to many thousands of dollars. If numbers of other families do the same, that's a serious issue for the business. As it has been for the store in question.
     
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    It doesn't with me, either - normally. It's a bit like putting posters we don't like on 'ignore'. But I draw the line at the transgender thing. Not helping that lunacy.
     
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    I draw the line at genocide.
     
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    We don't need to kill anyone, Polypants. They're killing themselves (at many times the rate the rest of us do), sadly. Blame their enablers.
     
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    In my case it was Chik-Fil-A. Not for their politics, but because I spent the last of my money until I could make it to the bank after work. I spent the last of my money on a combo for lunch. The sandwich was raw in the middle. They refused to make me another sandwich or to refund me. Corporate's response was along the lines of "Well what do you want us to do?"

    Didn't eat there again for 20-odd years.
     
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    Similar. Terrible response. You wonder what sort of idiots are running their corp offices.

    And yes, nothing to do with politics. I don't care about a business owner's/management's personal politics. I live not too far from an area where many of the small to medium sized businesses are owned by the Exclusive Brethren, but I'm happy to avail myself of their services when needed. In an aside .. it's funny how they're only exclusive when it doesn't involve money ...

    Meantime, I'll continue to make an exception for the transgender thing, because I regard any and all enabling of same to be dangerous and irresponsible.
     
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    I still draw the line at genocide.
     
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    Oh screw that I'm disabled and still with the ADA being decades old I still have issues accessing public streets and businesses and am happy to report them to the government so they can be dealt with and well there is no excuse is there the modifications are tax deductible and they had since 1990 to make the improvements on their properties.

    The free market is a two way street those offended by discrimination can protest, refuse business and harass those who do business with the offensive business and well groups can ask for laws and statutes to protect those who may face discrimination which is often a local to state issue not Federal that goes along with running a public business which is a privilege not a right.

    The public sphere is and should remain neutral to faith superstitions if the government is to stay out of faith centers then they need to stay out of business with their personal beliefs and serve everyone, the government needs to be the equalizer.
     
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    That isn't a boycott that's refusal to sirens money on lesser products
     
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    " That isn't a boycott that's refusal to sirens money on lesser products."



    Sirens money ???.
    Never heard of it,
    I save or spend money.....
    How do you "Sirens money ?
     
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  23. Skruddgemire

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    Really? Ever hear of typos? Ever hear of Autocorrect fails? Heck there's whole websites dedicated to chronicling the funny ones.

    Are you telling me that you've never typed something into a smart phone and botched it up causing autocorrect to substitute the wrong word on you?

    Yes I was momentarily taken aback and had to re-read his comments...but I figured it out.
     
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    Spend money it's a typo
     
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    Sorry, apologies, I thought it was some new fangled word, I was ignorant of.....
    :love:
     

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