Finland Can Teach the World How to Stand Up to Russia

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    Yes. But you assisted Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union before and after 1941

    Sorry, do you want to say you fought against Stalin?

    Do you think you are better communists? Wow... Ask about it in Vietnam...

    The correct logic is you fought for Stalin and for Hitler at the same time.
     
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    They got their butts kicked, but still occupy some of our land.
     
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    I have 0 Swedish blood in me. :)
     
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    Yes , no one wanted to help them... No one believed in them...
     
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    Defending them from what? Muslim hordes? The only nation I see invading other nations is the good old US of A. My country. And if we don't invade them directly, we send in the CIA and NGOs as in Ukraine, and help with a coup once we personally pick who we want in charge. Got it right there on tape, with Nuland. Check it out on you tube.

    With trump as president, it is possible that other parts of the world might be safer from American oligarchy aggression. But not sure since he is associating with the treasonous neocons.

    On the evil empire scale, my country is number one!! And we got such a good deal now for our elites. We no longer draft, so we can just send our poorer people to die and get maimed. Of course no citizen of any evil empire ever saw themselves as evil. For we propagandize them, condition them, brain wash them into idiocy. And it helps if you first divide the People, so you can conquer them with clever propaganda, and turn them into idiots. And since we don't draft them, they never get woken up by the horrors of war, as we did during Viet Nam, another war talked about by Gen. Butler in his book, War is a Racket. For blood money spends just as well and is the same color as other money. And the elites are addicted to it and can never have enough of the green stuff.

    No sir, there just isn't enough money in peace. It just isn't profitable, and it tends to not concentrate the flow of bucks into a few hands. Radical Islam while quite profitable, is still little fish. We need the really big fish, or better, we need whales. And what nation would be worth trillions to our elites, if we could stay at war with it? Especially since the USSR and their communist revolution is gone? Well, that is easy to do. We turn Russia into the old USSR!!! No they are no longer atheists, nor communists and they are not wanting to turn the world into communists, but people will remember when they were the USSR, and then all it takes is just lies and propaganda to convince a divided people what an evil enemy Russia is. We just need to convince americans that Russia is like Nazi Germany. And given we are surrounding her with NATO forces and missiles this is all the proof one needs to think Russia is like Nazi Germany, just lying in wait, until they explode to the west and conquers Europe!!! Now it makes no difference if Russia does not have the resources nor treasure to wage such a war. You must not let rationality enter into this!! It makes no difference that the only thing Russia does is to try to insure her own defense, against NATO which looks like an invading army, which we have done intentionally of course, to create greater tensions. You must never think critically or rationally about Russia, and certainly never look at the big picture. You just need to believe the lies and propaganda. No need for you to think at all. Just swallow what you are told. Be a good little American. For you know you can trust your gov't with your lives. Our politicians and intel would never, ever lie to a citizen. For they have never lied to us. And they never would. Yet reality shows us these people are completely trustworthy except in two very insignificant areas.....WORDS AND DEEDS.
     
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    Calm down, boy. In Russia, there are enough cemeteries of people like you.
     
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    Ask the Swedes. Apparently they fear Russia may seize one of its islands or something
     
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    Sweden was the strongest empire in 1709. There was one country that did not want to obey. Then, Sweden decided to win Russia. In 1709 the Russian army destroyed the Swedish army. The King of Sweden threw down his troops and fled. Since then, the Swedes hate Russia and are afraid. Russia need only those lands where people want to live in Russia. The Swedes do not want to live in Russia, so they afraid in vain ...
     
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    It made us Communist enablers. We should have just let them duke it out as Germany couldn't win a war against both the UK and the USSR. Only the UK should have gotten help and we should have thrown every last bit of our power at Japan to ensure that they lost ASAP because they were tough sun of a guns that didn't want to give up. In 1944 we should have then just run over both the Germans and Russians.

    Though it could have all been prevented if we didn't touch the most pointless war of the 20th century sometimes called the "great war" or the "war to end all wars" other wise known as world war 1.
     
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    Just say "NO!" to drugs.....
     
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    Look up pyrrhic victory. The Soviets could defeat Finland, but the Finns would wage guerrilla war against the Soviets if the Soviets took all of Finland.
    The Mannerheim line was in Finland, the Maginot line was in France - both were defensive lines.
    The Mannerheim line was to defend against Soviet attack, it did not threaten the Soviet Union.
    Yes, the Finns fought the Soviets - AFTER the Soviets had invaded and stolen Finnish land.
    Stalin was as bad as Hitler. He probably is responsible for more deaths than Hitler - many of them Soviet citizens starved by collectivization plans of Stalin. He relocated millions of people.

    By the way - the current so-called president's "America First" line was the line of the isolationists in the US who did not want to take a side when Hitler invaded Poland, France, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, and had England under siege. I had thought we learned the lesson of history that our national bird is the eagle, not the ostrich, but many are ignorant of history - particularly our so-called president.
     
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    I think most historians would not agree that the outcome of WWII would have been that the UK and USSR would have won if we sat it out.
    In any case, it doesn't matter, because we didn't sit it out - and I don't think we should have sat it out - we are a major part of the world and cannot sit in isolation and pretend we are immune to what goes on in the rest of the world - correction - we can, but it won't work. We are part of the world, and world events will impact us whether we want them to or not. Ignoring the rest of the world is short-sighted.
     
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    Pardon?
     
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    Finns and Germans killed 650,000 Civilian people by the famine in St. Petersburg. People ate everything! Even leather straps and boots cooked and ate.

    Germans killed people in concentration camps. The Germans made bags for women from human skin, gloves, etc. Germans conducted medical experiments on people. The Germans wanted to exterminate some peoples completely. When the Soviet army entered Berlin, the USSR shoot about 4,000 Soviet soldiers for crimes against the civilian population. The German army did not consider a crime to murder, rape and robbery of the Soviet population. And now there are fools who say that the USSR was like Germany... What's next?! Tomorrow, will stupid bastards say that the USSR attacked Germany?

    Now they kindle hatred of the Russians as Hitler's Germany did it. The government pounded the Germans into the head that the Russians are second-class people, that russians are stupid and cannot creat nothing. Later, the Germans realized that the Russians could tear the German ass to shreds. You still have a chance not to become cannon fodder.
     
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    The USSR destroyed 80% of the German army. Deliveries of goods from the United States accounted for 4% of all goods that the Soviet Union spent during the war. And the USSR paid gold for these supplies. The US made good money in the war in Europe.
     
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    This thread is about FINLAND, not Nazi Germany.
    Finland's only crime was to have the Stalin-led Soviet Union as its neighbor.
    The Soviet Union under Stalin was barely better than Nazi Germany - a very low bar, indeed.
    I repeat - historians feel Stalin may well have been responsible for more deaths than Hitler.
     
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    Do you deny that the Finns and Germans invaded the USSR?
     
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    I do not deny facts.
    The Germans and Finns invaded the USSR AFTER the USSR had invaded Finland to steal land, and AFTER the USSR fought WITH Nazi Germany as allies and conquered Poland.
     
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    No "ignoring the rest of the world" isn't short sighted, it's much smarter and wise than just about every war we have ever stepped into. You didn't defend our entering into World war 1 and I bet that's because you can't even hope to justify it.

    As for world war 2, what I said is we should have only fought Japan until we beat them and then deal with the USSR and Germany as both needed to go. Though honestly if we didn't screw with world war 1 then the 2nd one wouldn't have happened as we know it or maybe even not at all.

    I have heard the line of thinking that we can't "ignore the world" from the GOP many times to justify all kinds of wars overseas and you know what it's bunk invented by old grumpy men that want to send some young meat out to die while making it sound heroic. Germany and the USSR were both just as evil so enabling one over the other is just wrong and there should be no doubt about this.
     
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    Finns killed 650,000 people by the hunger in St. Petersburg. It is a fact. All the rest is ridiculous excuses.
    Finland in 1917 was part of Russia. Finns took part in the coup d'état. The border of Finland passed too close to St. Petersburg. Everyone understood that there would be a war with Germany and that Finland would be on the side of the fascists. Therefore, the USSR should move the border from St. Petersburg. This was a military necessity.
    In any case, I do not care what BS rubbish is in your head. Now it is more important that Finland can succumb to the pressure of USA and then the US will deploy military bases in Finland. In this case, the Russia will be forced to destroy this threat. This is the same as with the fascists. Russia understands that there will be a war with Usa. Russia understands that Finland will be on the side of Usa. If you have at least a drop of brains, then you must understand what it will lead to.
     
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    Russia has repaid all its loans and is debt free, so I don't know what you're talking about?
     
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    Litwin, these Russians have a message for you... and all your Pals:

    ENJOY!
     
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    The USSR invaded Finland.
    Finland was no threat to the Soviet Union.
    That the Finns sought revenge for the Soviet invasion is justice.
    The Soviet Union was the aggressor.
    You want us to feel sorry for Soviet deaths? I feel sorry for Finnish deaths.
     
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    The US does not sit out.
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    The United States creates problems for the whole world.
    The United States defeated Libya. The result is that Libya is the base for Islamist terrorists now

    The United States defeated Iraq. Result - in Iraq ISIS now
    The United States is smashing Syria. The result is millions of refugees in Europe.

    If I did not say yet some fact, then remind me please.
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