What's the best way to improve Muslims?

And then Jesus came and said

Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more......”

"For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."

 

I must be mistaken, obviously women in the Muslim world enjoy a much more enlightened social situation than women anywhere else, so what's with the burka, why does Islamic law say it takes 2 women to equal the testimony of one man, how come Muslim adulteresses are more frequently stoned to death than their male lovers, why do Muslim wives require their husband's permission to travel, but husbands not their wife's, and why does the law permit a man to have several wifes, but a woman can't have several husbands? Shouldn't things be a bit more equal between the gender in such an enlightened society?

 

Bingo!!
Clearly, clearly Islam hates women.

 

No, Islam doesn't hate women, it imposes on them submission to men, describes them as intellectually inferior and imposes legal discrimination against them. Muslims love their women submissive and legally subordinate.

 

Well, I guess when Islamic law overtakes here they'll repeal the 19th Amendment.

 

Absolutely, most Muslim men everywhere of all classes, educated or not and regardless of nationality, advocate a more Islamic government, one that applies Islamic law, promotes their faith and is guided by it. This would inevitably lead to the repeal of women's right to vote. Women under Islamic law must be completely under the control of their husband, father or nearest male relative.

 

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Well, you don't know that Islam united under a Caliphate would be hostile to the West. It could just as easily be neutral or friendly.

It would take an extremely powerful figure to unite Sunni and Shi'a. Best possible scenario would be Sunni States united under the Caliphate.

Note that Pakistani nuclear weapons are all uranium-based and low yield, like 1 kt to 10 kt. They're also modularized, with the components of the systems stored at different facilities, meaning that even terrorists would have to have access to all of the facilities in order to assemble the nuclear weapon.

 

Basically, yes. The same would be true for Protestantism, which has many diverse Sects and everything from McChurch to playing with snakes and speaking in tongues.

The brand of Islam practiced in each Muslim State varies greatly. Even within a Muslim State you have great variation; every thing from urban McIslam to fundamentalist Sects, to moderate Sects. to Muslims playing with snakes and speaking in tongues.

 

I always liked Sam Harris.

 

Then you are WISE, my man!! You know a good thing when you see it!

 

Correct, I don't have a crystal ball, BUT HOLY CRAP THE ODDS of a united Caliphate being a gigantic problem to the rest of the world are so great (ok, not 100%) that there's no frickin' way any reasonable person would risk that! Holy crap! You do undertstand just how utterly BARBARIC Sharia Law is, right? Please tell us you do!
Thanks.

 

Please feel free to do this to more of your posts.



[YES, I'M JOKING! ]

 

The Bible, to be fair, is equally as barbaric towards women.

 

You think the way ahead is to attempt moderate their faith?

Terrorism is rooted in faith? or is faith the excuse for terrorism?

 

hehe, yep, the Muslims will KEEP parts of the US Constitution when their Caliphate takes over....hehe, not really.

 

Terrorism is rooted in the faith. Mohammad said "I have been made victorious through terror", and 100+ verses in the Qur'an approve of Jihad against Infidels. What, you think that all those terrorists "get Islam all wrong, wrong, wrong!" Nope.

 

Yes, gosh darn it, they should be more equitable - they should stone to death the men at an equal rate as they stone to death the women! I'm all about fairness! Come on Muslims, start stoning the MEN to death more than you do for simply having sex outside marriage - get with the program! Let's be FAIR about this!


/sarc off.

 

True, but a lot fewer Christians and Jews strictly adhere to Old Testament doctrine, than do Muslims to Islamic scripture. In the Old Testament there are descriptions of individuals with many wives, but nowhere in the Christian world is this allowed now, in the Koran it is reported Mohamed had several wives, and in many Muslim countries this is legal today.

 

Mohammad had ELEVEN at once - but he would only allow OTHER Muslims to have a mere fraction of that (four wives), so he was a surepmacist, unfair, and egotistical, clearly. And if a WOMAN dares to even have ONE MORE husband that the mere one she is allowed, well then, look out! Islam also doesn't approve of gay marriage, of course, so it's outdated, and out of touch with the modern world, clearly.

 

So you think "good muslims" are all supporters of, or contributing to terrorism?

Isn't the true beliver's interpretation more important than "looking for hatred in scripts from the outside" ?
Of course that could mean, taking your (and others word of interpretation) that all true muslims are hateful (terrorists)

Or is it like always in history, religion is a tool when it comes to exercising power, obtaining aims?

 

@FreedomSeeker

I know muslim women being supressed. I've seen Imams spreading hatred to hundreds of people.
I wouldn't mind labelling radical islam as dangerous.

Thing is, I also know a lot of muslims that dont seek that destructive "guidance" and yet fulfill their obligations to their faith to satisfaction of local religous leaders.

Anything can be dangerous in its extreme, even healthy things.

Christians taking it too far would/should know?

 

I'm thinking in terms of "all of history". When has submitting a whole religion through "fear" ever worked in all of history other than temporarily? It has been attempted many times. Not a single instance when it was a real solution. Simply made the faithful more determined and ultimately, when no other options are left, forced them to become more and more violent against their oppressors.

 

I have never heard of progressives burning books. Just about all instances in history have been by religious and nationalist fanatics: Inquisition, Stalinism, Nazis, Talibans... in the U.S. by Christian fanatics.

 

Probably not physically violent because it would undermine my argument. But there are other ways of becoming violent other than "physical". And I would use them.

Burning a book because you don't agree with it is a way of signifying that you don't have rational arguments to confront it.